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  •  It's not a joke (10+ / 0-)

    When the history of this era is written, Israel's inhuman behavior is going to look very, very unflattering and what they are doing is clearly, pointedly, and inexcusably ethnic cleansing.

    •  Yes, but they're not putting Palestinians (5+ / 0-)
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      on trains to death camps, which is what the final solution was.  And Nazi analogies are explicitly forbidden here.

      •  how the fuck bad does it have to get (1+ / 0-)
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        Israel's policies are blatantly racist and apartheid, and their activities are pointedly eliminationist.  Do you want to wait for it to get insanely worse before someone says hey, this actually is ethnic cleansing and apartheid government and there is no happy conclusion at the end of that path!!

        And Nazi analogies are explicitly forbidden here.
         Well, I guess one way you can avoid talking about ethnic cleansing is to ban talking about the most infamous ethnic cleanser on the market.
        •  Did I say anything about the terms (0+ / 0-)

          "ethnic cleansing" or "apartheid government?" No.  What I said, very specifically, was about the term "final solution" that you initially uprated and which spawned this whole subthread.  That's a Nazi analogy, and whether you like it or not, those have been specifically banned by Markos.  So if you want to stick around, that's the rule.

          And you know what?  I agree with it.  And I say this as a Jew who is highly critical of Israeli policies and actions and has no problem with either the term "ethnic cleansing" or "apartheid government," although I think both terms need to be used appropriately and carefully.

          But there are different forms of ethnic cleansing.  What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is a crime, a major crime, but it is not putting Palestinians on trains and sending them to death camps, which is what the final solution was.  So if you want to criticize what Israel is doing, you'll get no argument from me.  But I think it's important that we be accurate in our terminology, and for you to realize that using Nazi analogies is not only HRable but, because of that rule and its super highly inflammatory quality, those analogies end up taking the attention away from what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and putting it all on language.  I'd rather keep the attention on the former part of that previous sentence.

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