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  •  I had a harder time with the Hamsher/Norquist (4+ / 0-)

    business during health care reform. Greenwald is hyperbolic and sometimes much too in love with pretty, inaccurate narratives. But he does make some good points-- and he hasn't thought that Grover Norquist makes a good partner on anything,  anytime at anywhere. So Greenwald is a notch above Hamsher on the trustworthiness scale.

    Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

    by Lucy Montrose on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:51:43 AM PST

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    •  That's a very low bar. (4+ / 0-)

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:57:15 AM PST

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      •  Is GG still involved w/ the Cato Institute? (0+ / 0-)

        Or is that only in his past by now?

        If he's still an active Cato participant,  that does undercut his credibility. Kind of like how Julian Assange started supporting dictators in Belarus.

        Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

        by Lucy Montrose on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:09:29 AM PST

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        •  Correction: Belarus reached out more to Assange (1+ / 0-)
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          than the other way around. As if they're trying to co-opt him. But thus far, at least according to that New Statesman article which is the first item that pops up on Google, Assange appears to be going along with the Belarussian President's charm offensive, and criticizing Lukashenko's critics. Which does NOT look good. Lukashenko isn't even a self-presented lefty like Hugo Chavez; he's a totalitarian who enthusiastically considers Stalin a hero and a role model.

          At least Anonymous is keeping out of that.

          Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

          by Lucy Montrose on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:22:05 AM PST

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          •  And according to Greenwald, (3+ / 0-)

            he's not affiliated with CATO, he just wrote a few papers for them. That I can accept, since CATO has many people supply them with input, some of whom are clearly not Libertarians.
            But he does seem to be a Libertarian, as does Scott Horton and several others that the Left celebrated during the Bush Years.

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:53:02 AM PST

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            •  Because fighting for expanding Social Security (0+ / 0-)

              is the hallmark of Libertarians.

              He's a Civil Libertarian.  Economically, he's a pretty typical 1970's era Democrat.

              "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

              by JesseCW on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:28:14 AM PST

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        •  Kos wrote for Cato. How do you feel about him? (2+ / 0-)
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          "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

          by JesseCW on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 11:18:51 AM PST

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          •  Didn't know that. (my mistake) (0+ / 0-)

            See my reply below. I'm pretty sure Cato only publishes contributions from liberals, though, for one of two reasons-- either as a punching bag or a statement of "see? we're not ALL far-right."

            Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

            by Lucy Montrose on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:22:19 PM PST

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        •  kos has 'participated' (1+ / 0-)
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          in Cato Institute activities or whatever you want to call them.  Many liberals have written and spoken at Cato. Lordy and you folks call GG or anyone else who is concerned with civil rights purist's. As for saying Blackwatergog was another Lennie Rosenthal she did kinda of turn my stomach as her only interest was idolizing Obama a kind of personality cult which actively tried to stop any discussions of policy agenda and issues. She went after Greenwald because he wrote about the horrific abuses of power that started with the Bushies that this administration has continued, expanded or codified.  

          Talk about hypocrisy. Anyone who writes or blogs or actively works to shed light on this administrations horrible record of human and civil rights or wants policy and direction that is  democratic/Democratic  is painted as a traitor by some here. Combing through their histories and twisting every thing they do or write in the light of how it reflects on this administration. I guess it helps those who only care about the president and partisan victories, to blame other liberals, activists or even lefty voters who dare to shed a little light or refuse toe the line put forth by the double speak or thinkers. Not very democratic or Democratic to attack the messengers or sources who you see as enemy's of the Obama administration and it's 'way forward'.    

          •  Your entire argument (2+ / 0-)
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            is deflated the moment one considers that someone like Adam Serwer has addressed the same issues as Greenwald but doesn't come in for this kind of criticism (nor does he attract a fan club of sycophants).

            Do you have even the slightest curiosity about why?

            Gawd forbid that its because he does so rationally without all the naivete and bluster.

            Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by NLinStPaul on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:26:44 PM PST

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            •  Or, maybe, because he isn't effective and (1+ / 0-)
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              doesn't actually draw any attention to the war crimes you're dedicated to supporting and defending.

              "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

              by JesseCW on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:29:16 AM PST

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          •  So I was mistaken about the extent of GG's... (0+ / 0-)

            involvement if he just wrote a few papers. I had thought it went deeper than that. It looks like the difference between writing a few pieces for HuffPo from time to time, and being all "rah rah I love HuffPo's business model and pseudoscience".

            Although I do wonder if Greenwald's and Kos' contributions were held up by Cato as punching bags and examples of "know our enemy the loony liberals". Like Colmes used to be on Fox News...

            Real Democrats don't abandon the middle class. --John Kerry

            by Lucy Montrose on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:17:24 PM PST

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            •  Cato is a Libertarian outfit more than a classical (1+ / 0-)
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              Right Wing one.

              They're actually on the morally defensible side of some issues, like drug legalization and ending DADT and  waging wars of choice.

              Many Free-Soilers were out and out classical racists.  Should Abolitionists have refused to work with them or speak to them?

              Achieving political change invariably means having to work with people who you disagree with - sometimes passionately - on many issues.

              "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

              by JesseCW on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:36:25 AM PST

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