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  •  You feel threatened by a possible HR? (2+ / 0-)
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    Comments like yours have been hide rated. I find them pitiful myself.

    How can you ever hope to win elections if you can't learn from the lessons of past elections?

    After losing an election, you have to take a long, hard and HONEST look at what happened if you hope to improve your chances in the next cycle.  That's tough to do without the honest part. YMMV

    •  Yes, I feel threatened by an H/R (0+ / 0-)

      because I've seen what happens when the donuts start flying and I don't want to get banned.
      And it sounds like that was a threat to shut me up.
      And yes, a cold hard look at the actual facts, before during and after an election are crucial to real progress, that's why this is such a sore point because I saw this happen live in real time and since then have watched people deny and excuse and dance around the facts, play it both ways, et cetera.
      The Left has a long history of circular firing squads and 2010 was one of them. If we don't own up to that, we'll do it again.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:22:45 PM PST

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      •  Why are you saying "we"? (0+ / 0-)

        "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

        by JesseCW on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:10:24 PM PST

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        •  Because I have consistantly been Left of Center (0+ / 0-)

          politically since Jack Kennedy ran for office and have paid heavily for my "Commie" Views. I consider myself to be a Progressive in the original sense of that word: that I work for progress toward equal rights and justice.
          Why? You kicking me out of the club?

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:17:19 PM PST

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          •  All I know of you is what you dedicate yourself to (0+ / 0-)

            here, and that is doing all you can to combat dissent from the Left as you fight to drag the Party to the right.

            That's not working for equal rights or justice.  That's working to harm workers.

            That's fine - you're free to push your belly-up ideology.  Some people think groveling before power is the same as confronting it.

            But you're not free to re-write history in your ongoing effort to get others to surrender with you.

            "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

            by JesseCW on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 04:52:05 AM PST

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            •  I'm not "combating dissent" (0+ / 0-)

              I'm trying to keep it real.
              If you think that I'm working to "drag the party to the Right" it's because you haven't heard me on the subject of the DLC (RIP) or my ex-Senator Joe Lie berman.
              The problem I have with the Left is the lack of perspective, the fantasy flights and the extremism I see from "Pure" Lefties for whom any compromise is treason (just like the TeaBaggers in that regard). It's unreasonable, it's not reality based, it's politically naive and it's counterproductive in the extreme. And there are real world consequences.
              And to then try to play it off when you fu(k up is the height of folly because it is a refusal to learn from mistakes.
              I would love it if our dreams of a New Age that motivated my generation in the 60s could be brought to be. And I have fought long and hard for that to happen. And we've been successful on many fronts. Not 100%, but when I was born, black people couldn't use the same bathrooms or water fountains as whites in many places in the South, a few months ago, I voted to re-elect an AfricanAmerican president. Have we conquered racism? No, but we've broken it's hold.
              When I was in high school, I got the crap beat out of me for defending a kid everyone was picking on because they suspected him of being gay. Because I stood up for him, I was fagbashed. Now, my state has same sex marriage and the generation of my nephew (early thirties) and younger, are  comfortable with LGBT rights. Perfect? Not yet, but WAY better.
              Birth control pills were illegal when I was a kid, nevermind abortion.
              The word recycling hadn't been coined yet, now we have curbside recycling in my town because it cuts down the volume of the trash stream.
              These are fights we won, again, not 100%, nothing is, but they are wins nonetheless.
              Along the way, I worked to pass the ERA and learned a thing or two about political reality. That should have been a cakewalk. It is a simple amendment and it has a majority constituency and we fought long and hard and still lost. One reason was that we let the rhetoric escalate into extremism, on both sides, till it devolved into shrill screeching from the far ends that drove the center to the exits.
              While we have made major progress in just my lifetime, the political discourse has dragged the Center way to the Right and I want to pull it back to Center. But that's not done by sitting way out in Left field sniping at our team. That helps the Right defeat us.
              When our team does something wrong, and we do, it deserves to be chastised for it, not denied and covered over. When we do something right, it's important to recognize that and build on it.
              The "Pure" Left has a habit of ignoring or denigrating successes, obsessing over perceived failures and is quick to jump to bad conclusions, suspecting the worst motives, et cetera. They demand purity in a world where nothing is pure, least of all, political issues that effect the entire population. The world is not black and white, it's not even shades of grey, it's billions of colors and that has to be taken into account.

              If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

              by CwV on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 06:09:55 AM PST

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