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  •  In the words of Jon Stewart.. (5+ / 0-)

    There are no laws that fix all of the problem, but that's not a reason to avoid making any laws at all.  

    When extra-terrestrial beings make their first appearance on our planet, and ask for representatives of our species to best exemplify humanity, I'm sending a nurse, a librarian, and a firefighter.

    by Wayward Son on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:23:53 AM PST

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    •  Umm.. yes, it is. (0+ / 0-)

      Pointless laws made for show that will cost the nation billions of dollars should not be passed.

      Laws made simply to make the gun control and the "we gotta do something now!" contingent in this country happy are inherently bad laws, because they will do nothing to stop violent crime.

      •  Inconsistent (1+ / 0-)
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        So perceived risk is enough of a justification for a system of gun ownership that statistically is almost 30 times more likely to result in suicide, accidents, assaults, and murder, but perceived benefit is not enough of a justification to outlaw personal ownership of assault weapons?  And the only reason stated for opposing this law is that assault weapons are rarely used in violent crime?  When they are, the result is catastrophic.  

        •  Gun ownership doesn't need justification (0+ / 0-)

          It is an inalienable right.

          Laws that seek to limit those inalienable rights do need lots of justification.

          Gun violence in this country is done with handguns and some shotguns and some rifles.

          99% of guns in the home are not assault rifles. They need no justification.

          I stand by my statement.  A law that purports to be needed to stop gun violence that does not address the weapons that are responsible for 99.4% of gun violence is a bad law.

          And let's be clear here.  I am not against the limit on magazine size, stricter registration and closing gun show loopholes.  Those are all good things and will go much further in curbing gun violence than a silly ban on assault weapons.. especially one with as many exemptions as some of these proposed laws have.

          Some say, if it stops even one death it is worth it.  No.  It is not.  Billions of dollars and a whole new bureaucracy to save a handful of lives per year is not worth it.

          If that were the case we should be banning swimming pools and home chemicals that kill children in homes by and order of magnitude more than firearms. (and several orders more than assault weapons)

          We need common sense laws.. and gun safety eduction.. maybe make a home gun safety course mandatory.  But bans on guns that kill a handful of people per year is stupid.


          Selected Causes of Death, Ages 0-19, per 100,000 Population (2007)    
              Cause           Number of Deaths     Mortality Rate    
                    Natural           36,272    
                    Perinatal Conditions       14,570
                    Congenital Anomalies        6,896    
                    Neoplasms                   2,302         
                    Respiratory Disease         1,442        
                    Circulatory Disease         1,666
                    Nervous System Disease      1,609     
                    SIDS                        2,453    
              Unintentional Injury             11,560     
                    Motor Vehicle               6,683     
                    Drowning                    1,056
                    Fire/Burn                     544    
                    Poisoning                     972         
                    Suffocation/Strangulation   1,263
                    Firearm                       138    
              Homicide                          3,345         
                    Firearm                     2,186     
              Suicide                           1,665     
                    Firearm                       683     
                    Suffocation/Strangulation     739
                    Poisoning                     133

      •  Wrong. And effectively Nasty. (0+ / 0-)

        You equate imperfection with pointlessness.

        And that sir, is so wrong as to be vile & reprehensible:

        According to your "logic", there should be no regulation of anything, no improvements in the human condition, unless it instantly achieves perfection.

        Slavery should not have been outlawed because Jim Crow followed ... according to your logic.

        You posit a nasty and horrid argument. Back off.

        "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

        by nosleep4u on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:44:19 AM PST

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