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  •  I guess Chu is more responsible than Geithner (6+ / 0-)

    but it's also worth pointing out among the economic successes of the first Obama administration that carbon emissions in the US are at an eighteen-year low:

    Carbon dioxide emissions from all sources in the U.S. peaked in 2007 at 6.02 gigatonnes and "have since fallen by an estimated 13% and in 2012 were likely at their lowest since 1994," according to the findings of a new report by Bloomberg New Energy Finance, the "Sustainable Energy in America 2013 Factbook,"
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    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

    by litho on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:46:33 AM PST

    •  Actually, George Bush gets the credit (5+ / 0-)

      For driving the economy off a cliff, reducing carbon emitting economic activity

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:11:29 PM PST

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      •  The curve continues its downward slope (4+ / 0-)
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        even after the economy began to recover.

        The reason?  The 70 billion dollars in the stimulus for green energy projects.  It helped fund my electric car -- and the charging stations sprouting up nationwide to keep cars like mine on the road.  It also helped fund the wind turbines I see going up everywhere around me -- I see five on my daily commute, and all of them went up in the last year and a half.  It also helped fund solar installations all over the place, from the commercial array I pass on a federal highway right-of-way everyday on my way home from work, to the literally thousands of rooftop installations made possible by the generous tax credits in the federal law.

        And we haven't even started talking about all the R&D the ARRA made possible, into battery technology, into turbine design, into advances in photovoltaic technology.

        It's a hell of a lot more than the economic crisis.  The president and his team took real, positive action to address climate change in the first term.  They just did it quietly, without seeking headlines.  And they accomplished a lot.

        When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

        by litho on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:30:05 PM PST

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        •  That has a negligible effect (5+ / 0-)
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          Certainly the money invested in renewables is great, even if it hasnt had a marked impact on emissions yet.  Fracking drive natural gas prices down to make coal uncompetitive is the bigger driver.   To paint Obama as some kind of carbon warrior ignores the plain reality

          Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

          by Mindful Nature on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:36:39 PM PST

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          •  You're right about the significance of natural gas (1+ / 0-)
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            driving out coal.  You're wrong to minimize the long term significance of the renewables boost in the ARRA.

            When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

            by litho on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:47:18 PM PST

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            •  Long term, yes (3+ / 0-)
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              Sorry.  Didn't mean to under play that.   Long term that will prove to be very important.  My point is only that it isn't what has driven the pattern from 2007-2013.  From 2015+ I imagine that will have a big impact.  Once all those renewable plants come online in 2014 and beyond, etc we will see impact from that also

              And if the Powder Rover Basin and Keystone and the Chuckchi Sea drilling get nixxed we might see real progress toward the -80% reductions from 1990 levels we need.  

              Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

              by Mindful Nature on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:32:30 PM PST

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              •  Correct (1+ / 0-)
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                As Chu himself said, most of his accomplishments won't have their visible impact for at least a decade.

                Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

                by MrAnon on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:00:21 PM PST

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        •  What about the carbon footprint (1+ / 0-)
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          that was created by making thousands of them that are rotting in dealers lots some with $6000.00 discounts and $75000 tax credits that still can't be sold.

          Yes there was certainly a sea change in the degradation of the rule of law, but nadda in climate change.

          •  Uh... what? (0+ / 0-)

            I'm curious where you're getting your information. (Assuming you're talking about electric cars, which isn't at all clear.)

            I'm sorry to tell you that Redstate is not a credible source. (And if you were worried about 'the degradation of the rule of law' you would hardly be talking about electric cars, you'd be talking about, say, warrantless wiretapping, assassination of US citizens without a court order, drone attacks that kill civilians en masse in 'friendly' countries, ... etc etc etc.)

      •  btw, I love that quote in your sig. (2+ / 0-)
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        I know Silvio Rodriguez in Sueño con serpientes attributed it to Bertolt Brecht, but Brecht apparently never said it exactly like that.  I think the source was Brecht's poem "In Praise of the Fighters" which I found on the net translated like this:

        In Praise of the Fighters

        Those who are weak don't fight.
        Those who are stronger might fight
        for an hour.
        Those who are stronger still might fight
        for many years.
        The strongest fight
        their whole life.
        They are the indispensable ones.

        Silvio's version, of course, goes more like this:
        There are men who fight for one day, and they are good
        There are others who fight for a year, and they are better
        There are some who fight many years, and they are very good
        But there are some who fight their whole lives.
        Those are the indispensable ones.
        It'd be curious to see it in the original German, but that's a language I don't know...

        When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

        by litho on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:46:11 PM PST

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