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  •  That has a negligible effect (5+ / 0-)
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    Certainly the money invested in renewables is great, even if it hasnt had a marked impact on emissions yet.  Fracking drive natural gas prices down to make coal uncompetitive is the bigger driver.   To paint Obama as some kind of carbon warrior ignores the plain reality

    Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

    by Mindful Nature on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:36:39 PM PST

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    •  You're right about the significance of natural gas (1+ / 0-)
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      driving out coal.  You're wrong to minimize the long term significance of the renewables boost in the ARRA.

      When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

      by litho on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:47:18 PM PST

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      •  Long term, yes (3+ / 0-)
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        Sorry.  Didn't mean to under play that.   Long term that will prove to be very important.  My point is only that it isn't what has driven the pattern from 2007-2013.  From 2015+ I imagine that will have a big impact.  Once all those renewable plants come online in 2014 and beyond, etc we will see impact from that also

        And if the Powder Rover Basin and Keystone and the Chuckchi Sea drilling get nixxed we might see real progress toward the -80% reductions from 1990 levels we need.  

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 02:32:30 PM PST

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        •  Correct (1+ / 0-)
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          As Chu himself said, most of his accomplishments won't have their visible impact for at least a decade.

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:00:21 PM PST

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