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  •  he's also bought into the idea that GOP just has (10+ / 0-)

    a messaging problem, not a policy problem.

    Romney only exacerbated this lack of enthusiasm for the GOP by suggesting that some Hispanics might consider “self-deportation” and by making other clumsy moves as he sought to outflank Texas Gov. Rick Perry on the right during their party’s presidential primaries. So to a certain extent, Romney’s troubles were self-inflicted.

    But it is also the case that when the Obama campaign decided to ratchet up its efforts to woo the Latino vote, buttressed by Hispanic-friendly policy pronouncements coming out of the White House, it was enormously effective. When the Romney campaign ran a Spanish-language ad in key states targeting Latino voters, it often was simply a translation of an ad aimed at non-Latino voters. By contrast, the Obama campaign featured prominent leaders in a local Latino community speaking Spanish in ads aimed at that specific audience. Throughout the campaign, the Obama operation did a much better job than the Romney campaign of synchronizing messages with target groups.

    Cook seems to think that telling Latinos to self-deport may have hurt Romney "to a certain extent" but that the real error was not "syncronizing messages," which presumably would have involved recruiting community leaders to tell Latinos in Spanish that they should self-deport.
    •  Apparently Charlie thinks if a Latino leader (2+ / 0-)
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      would have suggested for Romney that immigrants self-deport, that would have worked...

      Sure, both things matter, but flip the two options around, and it is easy to see which is more important.

      Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

      by tommypaine on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 01:28:56 PM PST

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    •  Fine. Cook can believe that... (4+ / 0-)
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      And he can advise Republicans to stay the course. And Republicans can keep losing elections. I touched on this at my blog today. Some Republican leaders now acknowledge the need to change... But they seem to think minor cosmetic changes will be enough. Yet even that is angering their "TEA" fueled base.

      As long as Republicans continue to ignore the changing composition of the American electorate, they're screwed.

      •  until it's acceptable to speak the truth (3+ / 0-)
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        and call out the GOP's obvious racism problem, idiot pundits like Cook will continue to make idiotic arguments to the effect of "The GOP just sucks at showing Latinos how much they love them." I agree that Cook's type of advice will not help them in 2016.

        •  it isn't so much racism (2+ / 0-)
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          Nonwhites tend to reject the party's basic let-them-eat-cake ideology much more than whites do. Polling data consistently show they are far less generically anti-government and more supportive of specific big spending programs than whites are. Even if the GOP were to cut out the covert (and in some cases overt) racial and xenophobic appeals, they will likely still overwhelmingly lose the nonwhite vote until they move closer to the center on economic issues.

          SSP poster. 43, new CA-6, -0.25/-3.90

          by sacman701 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:08:35 PM PST

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          •  ... (3+ / 0-)
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            But where does the party's "let them eat cake" ideology come from? Racism:

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            23 Burkean Post Modern Gay Democrat; NM-2 (Raised), TX-20 (B.A. & M.A. in Political Science), TX-17 (Home); 08/12 PVIs

            by wwmiv on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 05:03:57 PM PST

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          •  It's both (1+ / 0-)
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            The racism by itself matters a lot and closes the door on the GOP's ability to get more votes from people of color.

            Trust me, it matters.  The birtherism and other myriad attacks on Obama's patriotism, his legitimacy, his Americanism, a lot of us hear and read those things knowing that's exactly what these people think of me, think of us.  And the key to this is the GOP establishment reaction:  total silence.

            The fact is bigots and bigotry are welcome and embraced in the Republican Party.  It's OK to be racist, xenophobic, a religious bigot.  It's impolitic to say some things out loud in public, but only impolitic, nothing worse than that.  It's still perfectly OK or think and feel that way and share those things in more private chats!

            That's the Republican Party.

            44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

            by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:00:40 PM PST

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    •  the hispanic vote isn't as big a factor as one (0+ / 0-)

      RRH expat (known as AquarianLeft). Also known as freepcrusher on leip atlas forum

      by demographicarmageddon on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 06:33:04 PM PST

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      •  Sure, because Obama won pretty big (2+ / 0-)
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        The margins he got in almost all the states he won were too big to reverse merely by reducing his Hispanic margins in those states.

        Florida is the likely exception, since the outcome really was so narrow, and Obama's margins shrank compared to 2008 in almost all counties except the heavily non-white counties, which have more Hispanics than black voters or others.  But Obama didn't need Florida to win.

        But padding the margin with Hispanics still mattered.  It just made it all easier.

        And Cook is very wrong to think turnout itself was elastic.  It wasn't.  The sheer trajectory of the numbers of voting-eligible Hispanics ensured the increase we saw.

        44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

        by DCCyclone on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:10:05 PM PST

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