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  •  Elizabeth was also declared a bastard (9+ / 0-)

    Clear up to the day Mary died, Elizabeth was a dispensable person and had cause to fear for her life.  Even after she was crowned, whoever was pope at the time guaranteed heaven for anyone who assassinated her.

    You're correct about Mary's lack of judgment.  Not the brightest monarch who ever lived, and much too willing to let others make decisions for her.  Because of her religious fanaticism, I don't cut Mary any slack for having a difficult life; by comparison, Elizabeth had it much worse because of not only being declared a bastard but because her mother was called names on top of it, and she had to overcome the reality of her father killing her mother, probably over false charges (the two beheaded queens were first cousins, so the second one was also a relative of Elizabeth's).  There were better ways for Mary to deal with adversity than to listen to the popes and her mother.

    Poor Henry VIII.  [/snark]  He couldn't get a legitimate son, and of the two known illegitimate sons he sired with Bessie Blount and Mary Boleyn (elder sister of Anne Boleyn), both died young and without issue.

    Still, no matter how one views the Tudors, from Owen ap Meredith ap Tydier through to the death of Elizabeth I, they're interesting from a psychological perspective.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:20:27 PM PST

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    •  Henry did have (5+ / 0-)

      a legitimate son - Edward VI. He didn't live long, either.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:58:01 PM PST

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      •  Ruled for six years, died of illness (1+ / 0-)
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        A precocious lad and a fanatical Protestant who really got the Reformation going in England. But he also was dominated by warring nobles fighting to get his attention and therefore the power, first his uncles Edward and Thomas Seymour (both of who got beheaded) and then the English Machiavelli John Dudley, the Duke of Northumberland, who after Edward's death tried to shove Mary and Elizabeth out of the way and have their cousin Lady Jane Grey (the tragic "Nine Days Queen") take the throne as his puppet (he failed and was executed).

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        Edward VI died of tuberculosis at the age of 15.

        He was dominated by his Seymour uncles since they were his "protectors" until he could reach a majority age.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:11:46 PM PST

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