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    Bollox Ref, Cartoon Peril

    there is rather some question about that arrangement that made the Beaufort legitimized line ineligible for the succession.  Once the offspring had been made legitimate, they could have been eligible for the succession but eithr Richard II or Henry IV (can't remember which one) didn't want them eligible so they are the ones who introduced that caveat to the declarations of legitimacy.

    That whole "legitimizing after the fact" thing has always been nothing more that a statement of royal favor/power anyway.  

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    by a gilas girl on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:55:33 PM PST

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    •  The Beauforts were legitimized (3+ / 0-)

      by Act of Parliament under Richard II, as a 'gift' for his uncle John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster.  John of Gaunt also received a papal bull of legitimization from Pope Boniface IX.  The original Act did not disbar the Beauforts from inheriting the throne.  It was Henry IV (wary of his Beaufort half-brothers) that illegally 'augmented' an Act of Parliament without a subsequent parliamentary vote.

      Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God's grace in England as shall never be put out.

      by Bollox Ref on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:18:48 PM PST

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      •  Yes, thank you (0+ / 0-)

        I knew that the disbarring from the succession was not directly related the original illegitimacy, which got erased.

        I just couldn't remember which cousin did what regarding his uncle/father's "third family".

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:42:05 PM PST

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