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  •  Where is the outrage over 8 year olds being shot? (3+ / 0-)
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    Caipirinha, FG, VClib

    I lived in east Oakland for over 15 years, near Mills College on 64th avenue  before relocation elsewhere.   I still have many friends and acquaintances who call that city home, and I still visit frequently.

    I simply wish the "activists" in the city would express as much outrage towards the perpetrators of the crimes ranging from vandalism to murder which continue to plague the citizens of Oakland.

    Perhaps I am showing my age, I will be 61 years old in May, but an 8 year old girl getting shot offends me a great deal more than anything cited in the main diary post.  And just to be clear on the demographics, I am an African American male liberal Democrat who was a solid supporter of Rep. Barbara Lee and was proud of her membership in the progressive caucus, and her opposition to the Iraq war.

    But I think the hysteria over "stop and frisk" demonstrates a serious case of misplaced priorities.

    When are we going to see some righteous indignation about incidents like this one just last week?

    http://www.ktvu.com/...

    8-year-old girl recovering after East Oakland drive-by

    •  I think the main point is (3+ / 0-)
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      that Bratton and his policies are going to make things worse, not better.

      There is no claim that Oakland doesn't need some substantial change.

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      "Und wer nicht tanzen will am Schluss - weiß noch nicht dass er tanzen muss", Rammstein, "Amerika"

      by cris0000 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 02:40:11 AM PST

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    •  I'm not sure why you think that (2+ / 0-)
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      Activists are ignoring the problem of violence in Oakland. There are numerous groups that work on the issue. And more than that, the problem of police violence and harassment isn't separate from the larger problem of gun violence.

    •  Do you think it is more important to be outraged (1+ / 0-)
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      over the shooting of an eight year old girl or the unjustified  mass incarceration of hundreds of thousands of African Americans and Latinos and their subsequent disenfranchisement and inability to use social services and get a job?

      If people choose to work to change a system referred to pretty directly as "The New Jim Crow" instead of trying to convince a few gangs in East Oakland to stop shooting each other and at random, are you really going to criticize this effort?

      It seems weird to criticize people for protesting particular injustices and not others.  Why isn't everyone protesting that enough isn't being done to stop AIDS in Africa?  After all that's killing hundreds of thousands of people.  Or Malaria?  Or a horrible war in { pick the war de jure } ?  

      People are outraged at the Oakland Police because they are arguably the worst police force in the nation.  That seems like a pretty valid reason to protest.  Given that there is no obvious correlation between the number of police and/or police tactics and the homicide and shooting rate in Oakland and nationwide, the entire  meme that somehow protesting police violence detracts somehow from ways to reduce violent crime seems misplaced.

      •  yes I do think it is more important (4+ / 0-)
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        to be outraged about the fact that it is not safe for a child to walk to school or the store or to play in her front yard.

        yes I do think it is more important to be concerned about senseless violence that happened about 8 blocks from where I used to live.

        where are the diaries about how we capture and incarcerate the people like the shooters of that little girl.

        where are the outbursts in the chambers of the Oakland City Council demanding that these criminals and others be arrested and put on trial?

        my friends and neighbors are not in Africa. my friends and neighbors are not sick with Malaria.  they are living in a city where the prevailing political wisdom is to convince the average police officer that his best course of action is to work in another city.  

        call me parochial, but yes I most certainly do think it is far more important to be outraged at the shooting of an 8 year old girl because regardless of the political rhetoric, the fact is that when I am in Oakland next week, the biggest threat to my safety will not be a police officer. the biggest threat to my safety will be the criminals who have no qualms about spraying bullets regardless of who might be harmed.  

        •  Well, there you go. (1+ / 0-)
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          I do think you're viewpoint is parochial.  But you are entitled to it.

          What is not so apropos is your criticism of others for addressing other serious problems in society in lieu of your favorite issue.'

          Activists in Oakland are concerned about the environment, schools, police violence, health care, homelessness, and, yes, violence on the streets. just to name a few issues of concern.  That you chastise people for being engaged in one battle that you favor over another that may have less immediate implications but more national or global implications is, IMHO, not reasonable.

        •  The threat to your safety (1+ / 0-)
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          jpmassar

          in Oakland may actually be the police.  You can't possibly be unaware of the fact that a black man driving or walking the streets is highly likely to be stopped for DWB, or adjusting his waistband, or just being there.  

          A black man picked by OPD to be stopped and questioned is  often arrested, jailed, beaten -- or killed.  Giving your demographics and political affiliation, even your views on the need for more stop-and-frisk, are unlikely to save you then.

          She didn't know it couldn't be done, so she went ahead and did it.

          by Boadicaea on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 12:32:19 PM PST

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        •  And, as a matter of fact (0+ / 0-)
          where are the outbursts in the chambers of the Oakland City Council demanding that these criminals and others be arrested and put on trial?
          One of the issues raised by 'activists' (in fact I raised the issue myself, speaking on 1/15 at the Public Safety Committee Hearing) is the ridiculous clearance rate for murders (less than 30%), the lack of detectives and the lack of technicians and the lack of decent labratory facilities.

          Instead of paying OPD officers an average of more than $170,000 / yr why not pay them half as much and hire some crime technicians, detectives etc?

          But no, we have a small number of absurdly-high-paid OPD thugs wandering around the city violating people's first amendment rights instead of solving crimes.

    •  Note the time (1+ / 0-)
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      jpmassar

      This shooting took place during daylight hours. So much for instituting a youth curfew - as pushed by Gallo, De la Fuente and other shameless whores -  as a solution to Oakland's crime problems.

      Democracy - Not Plutocracy!

      by vulcangrrl on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 02:13:54 PM PST

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