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  •  no supply = gun control (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, lyvwyr101

    ... you can't get the rifles easily anymore. Every major manufacturer is out of stock. The most popular magazine manufacturer has a 1 Million unit backlog. Prices are up 50-75%. All gun sales records have been shattered by factors of 10. All the Feds have to do is apply some selective pressure to the manufacturing supply chain (steel, powder, etc) and the entire system would grind to a complete halt.

    Then all that is left is figure out how to confiscate 310 - 400 million guns.

    Good luck.

    •  It's an unsolvable problem (2+ / 0-)
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      happymisanthropy, lyvwyr101

      The guns are out there. The horse left the barn decades ago.

      It makes me curious that Obama would spend this much political capital on this problem...but, after Newtown, he probably has no choice. And it affects him on a personal level, like it has most Americans.

      I wish the public option had affected him on this personal a level.

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:32:10 AM PST

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      •  ... too bad he is not serious ... (0+ / 0-)

        .. about finding a way to really effect gun violence by addressing the handgun problem, rather than the statistically aberrant  "assault weapon" problem.

        Unless someone can make the argument that getting rid of the "assault rifles" is a first step to a long term strategy of handgun disarmament, all I see is politics and bullshit.

        •  The hand gun problem was tackled by no less (2+ / 0-)
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          DSPS owl, QuiteDragon

          that Nixon, and he lost.

        •  Take a long view (6+ / 0-)

          With the number of firearms in American society and the current, illogical view held by some of firearms as a kind of necessary tool to protect oneself, it is going to take a long time -- generations -- to get this country into a much more sensible position with respect to firearms.

          Right now, steps such as expanded background checks appear politically feasible. In time, perhaps licensing and registration of gun owners. The ridiculous ready availability of large magazines for semi-automatic weapons may be possible to correct.

          If we can start the process of reducing the proliferation of firearms in society, perhaps in 50 or 100 years, we will have left our descendants a better nation. One where we join the rest of the civilized world in significantly restricting the availability of firearms.

          Just because one stroke can't solve the whole problem in your or my lifetime, doesn't mean we shouldn't start the process of working toward correcting one of the remaining original, glaring flaws in the Constitution.

          •  You are willing to wait 100yrs ... (2+ / 0-)
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            drmah, lyvwyr101

            ... of violent handgun deaths? Why is it everyone gets up in arms about a horrible tragedy at a rich, suburban school, but no one cares about the hundreds dying in the minority and poor ghetto? Why doesn't the president round up the thousands and thousands of mothers, brothers, fathers, sisters of the victims of daily handgun violence to travel with him around the country, and sing at sporting events? The current hypocrisy of the progressive movement really astounds me here ... if it is about SAVING LIVES and effecting CHANGE ... and using MOMENTUM to achieve results ... where is the ballz of the progressive movement right now? Why the constant cowtowing to this idea of "we are not taking away you guns." Say "YES .. we ARE taking away your guns." Give voices to the thousands and thousands of victims family's and change the Second Amendment!

            •  I'm trying to be realistic (2+ / 0-)
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              lyvwyr101, nota bene

              If someone could snap their fingers and correct this problem, I would love it.

              I'm curious where you get the idea that "no one cares about the hundreds dying in the minority and poor ghetto." Of course I care. That's why I've been interested in gun control since I saw the news reports in 1968 about the murder of MLK and RFK.

              And your comment about momentum is exactly what I was referring to: build momentum toward an improved firearm policy by doing what is possible now.

              Please...humor me here and make it obvious: point out my hypocrisy once again?

              •  Selective 'Social Justice' .. (1+ / 0-)
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                .... depending on how hard the fight is. This one is winnable - the time is now. The gun nuts know that the assault weapon bullsh!t is just that - simply a way to get on the slippery slope to total disarmament. Instead of tiptoeing around the issue with poorly executed sleight-of-hand and 50-100 year gameplans, the progressive movement should be putting the name and face of every person killed by a handgun every single day. Keep the pressure on day after day after day. The president should take whatever executive action he can to slow the import and production of arms and ammunition, while simultaneously showing the People the faces of the killed and maimed from handgun violence.

                Why are progressives so scared of ending the handgun madness ???

            •  this is ridiculous and histrionic (0+ / 0-)
              Why is it everyone gets up in arms about a horrible tragedy at a rich, suburban school, but no one cares about the hundreds dying in the minority and poor ghetto?
              Yeah, nobody anywhere cares about everday violence in cities. Right.

              And for the've got an account that's less than a week old, yet you're banging on about some vague "hypocrisy of the progressive movement"? (Not to mention using "ballz" [sic] more than once in the same thread.)


              •  If you care, then do something ... (0+ / 0-)

                ... about all the handguns.

                Your statement is hereby added "for the record." Thanks.

                Sorry, I didn't realize that membership duration on DK was a credential for being allowed to discuss progressiveness.

                I do not think it is that vague. But since you seem to be missing the point, probably because you are too busy patting yourself on the back over intense feelings about banning rifles which do a statistically insignificant amount of harm, here is the point again: the progressive movement should be using the daily tragedy that plays out in every major city every day (handgun deaths) to ban handguns. The hypocrisy part comes in where progressives only seem to get fired up about these "mass shootings" of white folk, but are scared (i.e. lack of balls ... is that better for you ?) to talk about banning hundguns because it is politically difficult.

                ... or should I wait until my membership duration is a few years old to say that?

        •  yes, Virginia... (0+ / 0-)

          the "Assault Weapon" (wth IS that?) ban is the "gateway drug" to a handgun ban, leading to a total ban/confiscation.

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