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  •  I would consider it a huge success if (11+ / 0-)

    Universal background checks were law.  I know it may be an inconvenience for some, but it doesn't have to be.  I just bought a new pistol in under 15 minutes at a local sporting goods store and didn't find it inconvenient at all.  In fact, it was the quickest I've ever bought a gun; faster than my hunting rifles.

    Assault weapons and high capacity magazine bans will not happen any time soon.  If Democrats were smart, I'd say to use that as leverage for better health care, particularly mental healthcare.  Just don't expect it to pass.  Universal background checks however, could probably get passed.  

    "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

    by Texas Lefty on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:49:00 AM PST

    •  Texas Lefty, if the NRA was smart? (13+ / 0-)

      They'd spend some political capital on getting the NICS improved, with funding for both the database (toth to meagert), and for single-payer Mental Healthcare.

      My guess is, the antis would run against the improvements and single-payer as it's "tainted with NRA blood money".

      Thomas P. O'Neill was never one to turn a good legislative deal away over making points for political purity.

      •  How much of the available resources are (7+ / 0-)

        spent doing nothing more than combating proposals like an AWB and magazine capacity limits?  

        Those are resources that would be better spent on things like improving the NICS.  As long as these types of bans and restrictions remain the focal point, progress will be slowed.  It is the equivalent to being stuck in a tar pit.

        •  The NRA can change the game. (6+ / 0-)

          Put the pedal to the metal as the case may be, and bring the issue to the Nation.

          1) advertise the initiative.
          2) advocate for a doubling of existing excise taxes on guns, ammunition, accessories.
          3) drop it in Congress's lap.  Expansion of NICS, database upgrade, funding, all settled.
          4) Hold Congress to getting moving on Single-Payer Mental Health care, and probably dealing with the HIPPA privacy issues regarding reporting of persons evincing psychotic and/or sociopathic behavior.

          Single-payer is a bridge too far for this month, but if the NRA says "let's go" then where's the shade for the Republicans who'd say no, hell no?

    •  You do this in Texas, today? (2+ / 0-)
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      I thought we had a waiting period.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:12:35 PM PST

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      •  Can't say for certain. States via 10th Amend. (4+ / 0-)

        can impose a waiting period independent of the NICS supplanting Brady's 14 day.

        Of note, Colin Ferguson, the LIRR killer who shot Rep. McCarthy's husband, complied with California's 14 day wait,
        and we deemed good-to-go.

        Again, no one bothered to flag or pursue Ferguson's asocial behaviors to adjudication.

        •  I'm going to find out a little more (3+ / 0-)

          tomorrow.

           

          LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

          by BlackSheep1 on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:12:45 PM PST

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        •  If I remember correctly (1+ / 0-)
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          the waiting period was part of the Brady bill that was partially enacted, the partial part being an experiment; this comes from an NPR report several months ago.  From what I recall, some states had a mandatory waiting list applied, some already had a waiting period, and some states didn't have one.  The objective was to see if the addition of a waiting period reduced violence.  From what I recall of the report, there was no noticeable effect, which I attribute to being due to the fact that the control proponent's assumptions about who is responsible for the violence are wrong.  

          This wiki article, in the NRA opposition section has some information about this.  It claims that the NRA achieved the concession that the NICS system be used instead and then files suits through several states which lead to a SCOTUS ruling that the waiting periods were illegal.

      •  Yes, 2 weeks ago (2+ / 0-)
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        No waiting period.  Both of my pistols were bought in Texas, one at a gun show and one at a sporting goods store, and both were mine in less than 30 minutes from the time I said I wanted it.  

        "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

        by Texas Lefty on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 06:22:08 AM PST

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