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  •  Where do you get your information (4+ / 0-)

    that Buckingham did not have access?

    You have a better opinion of Elizabeth than I do.

    You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

    by sewaneepat on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:39:08 AM PST

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    •  she clearly loved her children (0+ / 0-)

      and did what she could to protect them. throughout her marriage and after, and throughout her time in sanctuary, she always put her children first, and always was plotting on their behalf. i don't have a high opinion of her, overall, but she always was a fiercely protective mother. in fact, she was fiercely protective of her entire family, which caused edward no end of problems, including contributing greatly to the split with warwick.

      the princes were held in high security, and brackenbury was absolutely loyal to richard. no one could have gotten through him, and if anyone had tried, he would have notified richard.

      every contemporary european writer was certain richard was responsible, tyrell later confessed, and more proved he put principle over his life.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:51:25 AM PST

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      •  I don't think any contemporary writers accused (3+ / 0-)
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        Richard at all.

        More was not a contemporary writer. He was a child when it happened so he based his history on Morton who owed his Archbishopric to Henry VII, not a particularly unbiased source.

        Many people confess to crimes they did not commit when those confessions are obtained under torture.

        You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

        by sewaneepat on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:58:55 AM PST

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        •  continental writers took it for granted (0+ / 0-)

          the french court took it for granted.

          more interviewed plenty of people who were alive at the time, including widows of some of the people involved. he did plenty of research.

          the bottom line issue i have with much of the riccardian narrative is that it often tries to make richard out as not that bad a guy, and unfairly maligned. the reality is that they were all- on all sides- cruel, bloodthirsty, and greedy. some did some good things, but none was remotely noble or honorable, and this goes right back to the conqueror.

          as for the princes, it's all occam's razor. richard forced them out of sanctuary, had them securely held by people deeply loyal to him, had reason to fear for his own life if the young king was to assume power and end the protectorate, and after having loyally supported his brother only came to question the legitimacy of the marriage to elizabeth when it served his own ambitions. elizabeth- as cruel, bloodthirsty, and greedy as all the rest- almost certainly would have had richard killed, but there is no way she would have allied with someone who had had her sons killed.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:39:53 PM PST

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          •  She might well have aligned with someone who (0+ / 0-)

            murdered her sons if it kept her other children safe.

            You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

            by sewaneepat on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:51:39 PM PST

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            •  henry had zero access (1+ / 0-)
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              to london, much less the tower. unless you think richard was keeping them alive but hidden for years, which would have served him no purpose. part of the reason public sentiment turned against him was the assumption that he had killed the boys, so producing proof that they were alive would have been very helpful to him.

              and again- until elizabeth aligned with henry, he was not considered a strong pretender to the throne. what we now know of history was unknown to them, and henry was exiled in france, with few allies and little hope.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:58:08 PM PST

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