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  •  Yes, of course ~ (3+ / 0-)

    but jazz was POP before pop ever existed, n'est-ce pas?

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    by Youffraita on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:47:24 PM PST

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    •   nononononono! (3+ / 0-)
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      jazz was never pop, although sinatra and others tried to make it so...

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      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 08:48:26 PM PST

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      •  heh...agree to disagree? (2+ / 0-)
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        Thing is, Sinatra could never make jazz into pop b/c he was a lousy lounge lizard.  Slick voice but no soul: that's Sinatra.

        (ducks and runs from all the people who revere Frank)

        But what has happened over the past century -- and this is very interesting to me -- is that jazz has taken over what they call the Great American Playbook (or is it Songbook?) and jazzed up all the songs that didn't used to be jazz numbers.

        I don't know whether you listen to jazz a lot.  I do -- I am a member at WRTI, Temple Public Radio, which plays jazz and classical, two streams, 24/7, online or if you have HD radio.

        And there are just tons of songs from the American play(or song)book that have been added to the jazz repertoire.

        Sometimes they're even from musicals.

        Sometimes they're even theme songs from old TV shows!  Which always makes me take notice.

        Yet, they are clearly jazz.  Because of the way they are played.

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        by Youffraita on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 09:02:46 PM PST

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    •  Pop music eventually becomes jazz (3+ / 0-)
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      And punk rock eventually turns into new wave. Rock and roll turns into psychedelic. I wrote an article once (got paid about $25 for it) where I interviewed a jazz disk jockey from some local jazz radio station. He said something profound. Here's a summary:

      Teenagers want to get up and dance (and maybe later make out). But grownups want to sit down and listen. So about every ten years or so, a new type of music comes along. The new music always has a strong beat so you can dance to it. Teenagers love it, but their parents hate it. Then the musicians get better at playing it and the teenagers grow up and have kids, so the music morphs from get-up-and-dance music to sit-down-and-listen concert music.

      And this pattern repeats every generation. Parents say that the new music is just noise. "Why, I'll tell you, in the old days we had good music!" But the kids are rebellious.

      There's a great documentary called "Punk: Attitude" that describes this transition. Chrissie Hynde of the Pretenders explains about the transition from Punk to New Wave. Here's a link: Punk:Attitude (Part 1). There are several parts. I don't remember where the Hynde interview is, but she says punk was sort of do-it-yourself music for amateurs, then the musicians got better and more artistic and it became more professional (new wave).

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      by Dbug on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:44:09 AM PST

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