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  •  "no way to tell" - Exactly! That's what I just (1+ / 0-)
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    said. It's exactly why you don't have a point when you try to say that past measures have failed, and use that as a justification for not going forward with what is now being suggested.

    You have absolutely no idea, and yet you still feel perfectly justified in calling the majority of the left wing of the U.S. political spectrum "dishonest".

    Are you sre that you wouldn't feel much more comfortable writing this shit on a right wing site?

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 08:27:27 PM PST

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    •  I'm sorry I thought you said this. (8+ / 0-)
      You have no idea how much things would be worse today if not for the past AWB, and all of the other law enforcement in this area.
      All you are saying is that I don't know how much worse things would be today if not for the 1994 AWB. Which clearly implies that if not for the 1994 AWB things would be worse today (ie, higher rates of gun crime). But the reports I've read clearly state that they couldn't determine if the 1994 AWB did anything to reduce violent crime. One would think that 10 years of data would show the effectiveness of something. So for me, after 10 years if the effectiveness of the AWB can't be determined, well I'm calling that a failure.

      I'm quite comfortable here, thanks for asking though. As for the primary point of my diary, honesty, all I am asking for is that the term assault weapon be dropped and replaced with semi-automatic rifle. Because isn't that what is really wanted, a ban on semi-automatic rifles?

      You eat a lot of acid, Miller, back in the hippie days?

      by oldpunk on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 08:45:58 PM PST

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      •  Taking things out of context has always been (2+ / 0-)
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        considered to be extremely dishonest. What I said next after your quoted language was exactly this

        "Saying nothing works is simply a copout , trying to make it so that nothing gets tried."

        Gosh, a whole different meaning, isn't it, Mr. Dishonest!

        How many lives have already been saved by all of the things we've already done is, admittedly, unknowable, but pretending that you know that the correct answer is "none" is leagues beyond shameful.

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:54:38 PM PST

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        •  Sorry I missed the part where I said that (3+ / 0-)
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          nothing would work or where I suggested that nothing get tried, hence my omission of the content, since I didn't say such things your statement wasn't relevant to the point I was making.

          After ten years researchers couldn't point to any data that conclusively said that the AWB reduced crime. Legislation like that is a failure, so I don't see why trying it again will be any different. If people want to focus on guns instead of the criminal pulling the trigger, they should go for it. I think that continuing to move in such a direction is misguided, but that's me.

          I think limiting magazine capacity stands a reasonable chance in reducing the severity of mass shootings but banning semi-automatic rifles based on looks is in my opinion asinine, when it is the weapons cyclic rate of fire that is the real issue, and that can only be addressed by either banning semi-automatic rifles or by mandating that firearms manufacturers mechanically limit a weapons cyclic rate of fire.

          You eat a lot of acid, Miller, back in the hippie days?

          by oldpunk on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 12:17:06 AM PST

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