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  •  You came to a "gunfight" with a knife. You're so (2+ / 0-)
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    far out there that I'd feel guilty for even trying to continue.

    Sorry!

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:35:07 PM PST

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    •  Empty words, if you had a legitimate position (7+ / 0-)

      You'd have presented it.

      I do love debate, really.  I actually can admit when I'm wrong and if you could teach me where historically this position is incorrect, I'm willing to listen.

      Saying I'm wrong doesn't mean a thing.  

      I do play a doctor, no no a lawyer on the interwebs though and that gives me authority over all things...really.

      ROFL.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:53:36 PM PST

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      •  Funny how it sometimes turns out that ... (3+ / 0-)
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        some people who "went to law school" were actually only the janitor.  Others, it seems, attended "law school" by studying a limited supply of books in a prison library.  

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 11:15:20 PM PST

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      •  See you think that "historically" and "legally" (1+ / 0-)
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        have some sort of magical connection to each other, and you ain't paying me enough to do all of the work that would be needed to get you up to speed in this area.

        Suffice it to say "historically" is generally used by persons fixated on "Original Ientent", and the whole O.I. thing is pretty much only a right wing talking point. I have yet to see that you've put any sort of a left wing spin on your stuff and, until you find a way to do that, you're simply not to be taken seriously on a left wing site.

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 11:37:23 AM PST

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        •  The Constitution is "left" or "right"?? (1+ / 0-)
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          I must "spin" my perspective of the law to met your arbitrary standards?

          Isn't that what is commonly called propaganda?


          "When you have the law on your side, pound the law.  When you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. When you have neither the law nor the facts going for you, pound the table."
          Your pounding on the table here may distract the uninitiated, not me.  What is clear however is that you have no legitimate position.

          Could I refer you to Logical Fallacies for your educational enjoyment?

          "No True Scotsman."
          "Red Herring."
          "Appeal to Authority"

          None of these fallacious arguments actually address the issues raised.  Do you have historical evidence contrary to mine that shows the US Constitution creates rights, specifically the RKBA's?

          I'll accept legitimate Supreme Court decisions as the starting point, okay?  And dissents are nice, but they are not admissible as proof your position is actually valid today, in these United States.

          Work with me.

          :)

          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 07:13:59 PM PST

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          •  Again, you need to ask someone on a right wing (0+ / 0-)

            site to "work with" you. I'm trying to have discussions, not training sessions.

            But I'll give you one break. Tell me, in "Readers Digest" version what you know about the Federalist Society, and what you think of it. I mean,if you can't even pass this test, then you really need to go back and start over.

            There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

            by oldpotsmuggler on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:09:45 PM PST

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            •  "No True Scotsman" again? (1+ / 0-)
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              theatre goon

              Jeeze...here I thought you had a law degree.

              Federalist vs. Anti-Federalist, great historical debates they had as anonymous posters in the newspapers of the day.

              In the end, we have a little bit of both worlds they wished to create.

              IMO, misdirection meant to obfuscate the Ratification Documents submitted by the 13 original States.  The majority of which also presented demands for the newly formed government to include a "bill of rights".  Guarantee's that the new central government could not ever do certain things.  

              Of course, through the years many "jurists" have been intentionally misdirected and divided by "original intent"....false dichotomies, IMO.

              It's nice to know what they thought, but there is no lawful obligation to "interpret" what they wrote as binding on how the constitution is currently written.  There is a lawful obligation to those legal documents called the Ratification Documents.  Something the authoritarians of today wish to pretend do not exist.

              Hey, but again, you keep on keeping on here and believing whatever it is you wish.  Clearly you have nothing and I had hoped for some honest debate, not patronizing false logic.

              Good day.

              PS. remind me not to waste any more precious electrons, will ya?!

              -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

              by gerrilea on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 11:57:05 PM PST

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