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  •  Net migration? (1+ / 0-)
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    floydgrant

    New York's population has increased by 2 million, roughly 10%, since 1980, from 17.55 million to 19.57 million today.  Granted, that's not tracking emigrants and immigrants, but it does show net population growth.

    If you compare population growth in the states I mentioned, you'll see much greater growth rates in AZ and TX, negative growth in LA and MS, and growth rates similar to NY in SC and KY.

    In other words, taking a granular approach to the data produces a much more nuanced understanding than the simple stereotype of "south grows, north declines" that plagues the mainstream press.

    As for the "Conservative push" in the United States, I suggest you get out a bit more.  Five of the last six presidential elections were won by the Democrat, and the current, highly popular, president is the most progressive we've seen since arguably Franklin Roosevelt.

    When the union's inspiration /Through the workers' blood shall run /There can be no power greater /Anywhere beneath the sun /Solidarity Forever!

    by litho on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 07:17:40 PM PST

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    •  I am not going to get into a big discussion but (2+ / 0-)
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      two things:
      migration refers to movement between states - NY is seeing net migration out - meaning more people are moving from NY to other states than are moving to NY from other states.  (though that is really beside the point. the broader question is whether what some diarists here argue will occur - that people will opt to live in higher cost states with better schools and more services than in lower cost states)

      and I believe most people who visit this site will agree that the Republican party has gone very much to the right since the days of Nixon (even Reagan, for that matter) and that the mainstream Democratic party would not exactly be described as liberal.

      •  Sure, but net migration is kind of meaningless (0+ / 0-)

        unless you disaggregate the figure and see why people are moving away, and why people are moving toward.

        My guess is if you eliminated people retiring to warmer climes, you probably would see something close to a wash.

        I've lost my faith in nihilism

        by grumpynerd on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:48:29 PM PST

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