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  •  Interesting... (1+ / 0-)
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    since most gun owners do not oppose reasonable restrictions preventing felons and the mentally ill from possessing guns - and since such legislation is extant - does all this anti-gun propaganda lay the groundwork for UNreasonable legislation?

    Why yes, Virginia, there IS an oligarchy - which controls BOTH major parties and 90% of the media and wants to disarm those who would defend the Constitution.

    •  You sound really familiar...... (1+ / 0-)
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      David Koch is Longshanks, and Occupy is the real Braveheart.

      by PsychoSavannah on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 04:58:26 AM PST

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    •  . . . and wants to disarm those who would defend (4+ / 0-)

      there just isn't enough tin foil.

      Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

      by jsfox on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:01:30 AM PST

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    •  Here's a slope. Please slide off... (3+ / 0-)

      The priest said, "Today's sermon is called 'Liars', but first I have a question. How many of you have read Chapter 66 in Matthew?" Nearly every hand went up. "You're just the group I need to speak to," the priest said. "There's no such chapter."

      by Back In Blue on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:19:08 AM PST

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    •  Hahaha (0+ / 0-)

      Constitution, armed defense, lol.

      Everyone! Arms akimbo!

      by tobendaro on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:42:59 AM PST

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    •  In this country, it is the CORPORATIONS (7+ / 0-)

      we need to fear, not the government.

      I have no idea who defends us from them.

      Nobody, I think.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:43:41 AM PST

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      •  The corporations... (1+ / 0-)
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        are controlled by people - according to the IRS annual report, 400 individuals control more wealth than the bottom 150,000,000 people in this country - THOSE people, controlling the corporations, also control BOTH major parties. By controlling the parties, they control the electoral process.

        90% of the media is owned by only 6 corporations - also under the control of the 400 individuals above, for the most part.

        Therefore, a small group of very wealthy folk (a plutocracy), aided and abetted by some very influential, but not wealthy folk (combined with the plutocracy, forming a controlling oligarchy) control the parties and the message getting out to "the folk".

        So, you are half right - we should fear the control of the corporations, but since they control the government - the corporations ARE THE GOVERNMENT in fascist America.

    •  Pete only posts about guns (6+ / 0-)

      odd, that.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:49:32 AM PST

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      •  He's a zombie (4+ / 0-)

        We have several that only post in gun threads and diaries. They get banned and come back under another name.

        Explain.(1+ / 27-)

        Why not an armed secretary?  Or an armed principal?  Or even an armed kid?

        by Pete Cortez on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 10:55:28 AM CST

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        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 06:21:54 AM PST

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        •  I have posted... (0+ / 0-)

          in TWO threads on the Daily Kos...only two threads, my friend. Exhibit some patience - perhaps engage in dialogue with someone with whom you disagree - perhaps we find points of common ground. Perhaps not, perhaps you only learn WHY those with whom you disagree think the way they do.

          Or, contribute to the polarization which divides us by recommending banning those with whom you disagree, etc. That's helpful to reasoned debate in a republic (/sarc).

      •  Pete (to date) primarily posts about guns... (0+ / 0-)

        within the greater context of returning America to a Constitutional Republic, vice the oligarchy sliding toward totalitarianism which is its current state.

        I am new here and gun control is dominating the news - give me time and I will expand my topics of interest.

        •  what does that actually mean? (0+ / 0-)
          returning America to a Constitutional Republic

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:14:29 AM PST

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          •  it means... (0+ / 0-)

            a Republic (in which sovereign people - you know, those pesky "We, the People", folks) have access to actual facts via a free press (vice one in which 90% of the media is controlled by 6 corporations in turn controlled by less than 400 individuals) which prints factual information (vice propaganda - see: ) and have free and fair elections to select folks who will represent them vice the same 400 individuals who currently control both major parties and the aforementioned 90% of media.

            In so doing, the people spell out what the government CANNOT do to them via a written constitution which a judiciary interprets in accordance with how it was written and adopted by those same "We, the People", not in accordance with how these unelected justices think IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN written (as they are selected from and by the same oligarchy which controls the media, the government including the judiciary).

    •  Gee, that's really special (6+ / 0-)

      How about not just felons or the mentally ill, but anyone with a domestic violence charge against them?

      Guns increase the probability of death in incidents of domestic violence.1

      Firearms were used to kill more than two-thirds of spouse and ex-spouse homicide victims between 1990 and 2005.2

      Domestic violence assaults involving a firearm are 12 times more likely to result in death than those involving other weapons or bodily force.3

      Abused women are five times more likely to be killed by their abuser if the abuser owns a firearm.4

      A recent survey of female domestic violence shelter residents in California found that more than one third (36.7%) reported having been threatened or harmed with a firearm.5 In nearly two thirds (64.5%) of the households that contained a firearm, the intimate partner had used the firearm against the victim, usually threatening to shoot or kill the victim.6

      Laws that prohibit the purchase of a firearm by a person subject to a domestic violence restraining order are associated with a reduction in the number of intimate partner homicides.7

      Let's not just limit it to the mentally ill (who are only responsible for about 10% of violent crimes) and felons.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 06:29:49 AM PST

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      •  while I dont know the laws in all the states... (0+ / 0-)

        I know that in my home state, if one has a "restraining order" or a record of domestic violence, the court may order that the offender is not allowed to possess guns.

        The reasonable gun regulation reasonable people desire are already on the books. Let's enforce them and stop this silliness about trying to ban weapons which "look scary". That is a position completely borne of ignorance and fear.

        •  The court "may" order that the offender (0+ / 0-)

          is not allowed to possess guns? And under what authority does that court have to tell someone that they're not allowed to own a gun? Who enforces it?
          Do the police go to the house of the offender and take his guns?
          You're going to have to try harder than that, Pete.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:52:27 PM PST

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      •  That is what we do in the military (2+ / 0-)
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        Lautenberg amendment.

        Get busted for domestic violence & you can't handle weapons anymore.

    •  Are you saying that it's shooting season (1+ / 0-)
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      on the Corporations, & the people who run them & control their stock?

      Well, grab your AR-15 & show us how it's done. And you'll be marked down for any innocent bystanders who get killed or injured in the process -- far more for each than every criminal you liquidate.

      Until then, I'm not convinced you have a point worth listening to.

      The ballot box is still the safer & more effective tool for change.

      •  NO. That is not what I am saying... (0+ / 0-)

        if that were what I was saying, you would have read my words actually saying that. That is apparently what you are projecting on me due to your jumping to conclusions and/or failure in reading comprehension skills.

        •  That's what I'm hearing (0+ / 0-)

          What other way can I parse your assertion that we need guns because a small group of people control so much wealth? Otherwise, saying simply I have lots of military-quality weaponry ought to be enough to be a deterrent.

          There's a big difference between talking & doing. Don't talk the talk unless you're willing to act. And accept the consequences -- such as murder.

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