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  •  In my heart I'm a citizen of the world (3+ / 0-)
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    but I keep my passport as an American for many reasons.

    This attitude really surprises me.  It is like how the "World Series" in baseball only invites teams from one other country.

    by chloris creator on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 01:14:29 AM PST

    •  Is it even possible for you to give up your (1+ / 0-)
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      passport without becoming stateless?  Are you a citizen of another country?

      I plan to give up my US citizenship after I become an Icelandic citizen (3-6 years from now, depending), but if it's even possible before then, I don't want to become stateless - it would just complicate the process.

      The only thing that even gives me pause on giving up US citizenship is losing the social security that I paid into for a dozen years.  But then again, I understand that the base payment would be so low and then hit by so many penalties for living and working overseas for so long that I'd hardly get anything anyway.

      I still pay my taxes, though.  They have to be current to give up US citizenship.  Having to file taxes while living overseas, another reason why I look forward to giving it up...

      •  No interest in being a dual citizen? (0+ / 0-)
        •  Nope, none. (0+ / 0-)

          As mentioned, the only thing that gives me pause is giving up the SS payments when I retire, but by the numbers they should be pretty tiny anyways, so it's not a big loss.

          I don't really identify as American.  So even the argument of "you can vote", which I once considered as a reason, doesn't really fly anymore, as it just feels weird to get to vote in the elections of a country I neither identify with nor live in.

          •  One of my closest friends (0+ / 0-)

            married his wife int he states, but she is British and of Pakistani descent so they always get hassled coming back into the country so they live in London. Plus he discovered that the US wants to require his wife to disclose all their financials as well, which is apparently against British law. If she doesn't though he is considered in violation of US tax law. Once he nationalizes to being a British subject I would expect him to do much the same, even though he likes being an American. Plus, becoming British also comes with EU citizenship.

            If we as a country didn't make it a burden on ex-pats it might be more reasonable to maintain dual citizenship.

      •  From what I've read, the answer is "no", (0+ / 0-)

        you can't give up your citizenship. There are court rulings in which Americans who renounced their citizenship were hauled in on domestic charges as Americans, because the court ruled that you just can't say "I don't want it anymore". It's an interesting notion.

        Also, I don't know why you would have to give up SocSec. Any resident alien has a SocSec card and can work and that entitles them to something (if they worked long enough to qualify), regardless of where they live. You may want to take a closer look at this one.

        •  Yes, you can give up your citizenship. (0+ / 0-)

          There's a formal process, you have to be current on your taxes, and it costs a couple hundred dollars.  A few thousand people do it per year, most commonly for tax reasons.  In fact, the US is unusual in allowing people to become stateless - you can renounce without having another citizenship (although that can put you in a bad situation wherever you live).

          I would not be a resident alien.  I am not a US resident.  I will not have a green card or any legal connection with the US.

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