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    the implied threat that displeasing the NRA (or other avowed gun distribution proponents) increases one's risk of being targeted for gun violence.

    •  I think that's FUD (0+ / 0-)

      Undeniably there's crazy idiots out there, but it's a stretch to say that they're part of the NRA's message to politicians.

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      by maxomai on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:55:53 AM PST

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      •  LOL! It's the whole message (0+ / 0-)

        "keep tyranny at bay" do you parse that?

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        by PsychoSavannah on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:39:09 AM PST

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        •  And it doesn't help when GOP House & Senate (0+ / 0-)

          leaders are echoing the panicky call to arms that 'Obama is coming to take your guns away! And prevent you from defending yourselves against tyranny!' in their frequent mass media statements.  

          They are also pushing the meme that people are now on their own to be their own first line of defence, to defend themselves against armed criminals who don't care about gun laws or the thinned police force.  What's curious to me is how law enforcement seems lately to be folding in their messages along with this. The expectation being set seems to be that 'everyone' has to prepare for lawlessness in society to break out anywhere, anytime, and that we cannot presume we are ever truly safe, or that this could possibly improve anytime soon.

          In Wisconsin, we have the now controversial head of Milwaukee's Police Ed Flynn telling people to go out and buy guns to protect themselves and their homes because the city police just aren't likely to ever get there in time. And there's been increasing citizen complaints about long to never 911 response times to theft, robbery (where perp is already fled, etc.).  To be fair, he also has made some sensible observations and complaints about WI Concealed Carry laws being too liberal. He pointed out that carrying a gun without the CCL never seems to rise above a misdemeanor in WI or Milwaukee, and he partly blames on how the justice system is handling things (very high use of plea deals) along with the lack of follow-through by the state legislature to tighten the laws to prevent gun ownership for those charged with felonies but who plea out. No one will argue that trying to make do with less than 2,000 police officers for a city of 600,000 isn an easy job. But funding for beat officers who respond to 911 calls seems to be getting reduced, rather than increased, especially where the GOP controls the purse strings.

          In parallel to Milwauke, we see Chicago's police chief has indicated they are now focusing on patrols, and aren't going to respond to 911 calls where there isn't an active criminal posing a threat on the scene. I guess you can still run down to the local cop shop to file a complaint if someone is available to take it. In other news, the Chicago police union is seeking a 12% raise and other benefit improvements. (We'll see how Mayor Rahm Emanuel deals with this, versus, for instance, his handling of the city's school teachers.)

          So the public is feeling lots of pressure to arm themselves against random threats, which their police departments confirm as very real, and they are confirming that they cannot hope to respond in real time.

          I don't hear the police and politicians also pushing for all these new gun owners to get safety & maintenance training, along with the training and practice to develop competancy with the weapon, or pass any certification tests. (Or perhaps do something truly productive longterm and working with City Council alderman, and Neighborhood Watch programs, and state representatives--fat chance with GOP control--to get the resources in place that would better help to deter people taking up a life of crime in the first place.  If there were enough full-time jobs, let alone better living-wage jobs, perhaps we'd have a good deal less people taking on the risks of burglary, home invasions, robbery, theft, prostitution, or trying to escape reality via drugs, etc.)

          I have a real concern above about these people being scared into purchasing handguns not being encouraged enough to seek instruction and good training with their new deadly weapons, especially after visiting a gun range this month.  I was seeing a lot of people with their new easily concealed 9mm and .380 semi-automatic handguns eagerly trying them out, apparently without benefit of basic instruction. It was dismaying to see these novice shooters run their large people ('perp') sized paper targets out to 5 meters (16 feet away, in good lighting, non-moving targets), and see lots of rapid firing (easily blowing through $30 to $100 of ammo), and then see them reel in the results--tattered targets coming back in covered edge to edge with non-clustered holes, not necessarily with enough holes to account for total shots fired--clear indications of lack of training, lack of a good gun hold, lack of disciplined aim. To me it looked like they are acting like the heros they see in movie and TV shows--blasting away to vanquish their foes.  And these are the new gun owners who were convinced it's a good idea to do the 'responsible thing' and come in and practice once or twice.  These are the people likely to get their Concealed Carry licenses where they'll fire 100 rounds in the course of their training...sounds like a lot, but that's no where near enough to reliably put shots inside the lowest scoring rings of their targets.

          Personally, I don't feel even the strongest gun ownership advocates should want these new citizen armies of novice shooters, obviously lacking the basics of good aim control, lacking the training to exercise good judgment or evem tp understand their own flaws, and now packing concealed weapons in their public places, especially schools and churches. If they have trouble even hitting the paper with a human shaped target on it at 15 feet, no one should want them drawing their gun to fend off any criminal, especially if other humans are around.  If any of these ill-trained citizen warriors were to draw and fire at an armed criminal from within a group, that criminal will likely not be disabled or taken down, butt instead will be provoked to fire hastily back in the direction of that group where those shots came from, perhaps while fleeing--and such 'fire fights' wll endanger the surrounding public even more.

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          by antirove on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:17:07 PM PST

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