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  •  Centrism has a new face and it looks like Rove. (17+ / 0-)

    Given that, some dems will be knocking each other down to be the first to reach across the isle.

    And we, the American people, at least those of us that give a shit about progress, will be left to flounder around in the sea of status quo.

    That is, until the actual seas are driving us out of our coastal cities.

    Physics is bulls**t. Don't let them fool you. Fire IS magic.

    by Pescadero Bill on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:55:13 PM PST

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    •  Rove isn't moving to the center (40+ / 0-)

      Like Scott Walker and Kasich and the rest of the nutty Republicans, he's only pretending.  They still have the same agenda, but they also face elections where their extremism has consequences and Karl Rove fell flat on his face with the extremists that ran in 2012.

      Reality - at least elecoral reality - has set in.

      They're all going to pretend to be moderates.  And sane.  Because those low information voters are easy to manipulate and fool and corporate media will help to fool them.

      It's the same guys, the same policies, but they're going to sound nicer about it.  Frank Luntz is hard at work creating new BS for them.  

      The Tea Party is toast, but the stuff they want is still mighty high on the GOP agenda.  And Foxaganda is going to promote the next astroturfed group that steps in front of the microphone with about a dozen people at a rally as though they represent the whole country.

      Rinse and repeat.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 10:47:56 PM PST

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      •  It's the perception, that the media will help (14+ / 0-)

        promote, that's at issue.

        He'll capture the "center" brand and will be promoted as such, and that's exactly what he's aiming for.

        The "Right" is the new center.

        Physics is bulls**t. Don't let them fool you. Fire IS magic.

        by Pescadero Bill on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 11:11:14 PM PST

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      •  elmore putz's horse boiling emporium = (5+ / 0-)

        elmo's glue

        if they just change the words, so it doesn't sound as bad as it is, people will flock to them in droves!

        population planning and attrition center = death camp

        by the way, 24% doesn't strike me as any more "mainstream" than 8% does.

      •  I don't think Rove can even pretend. (4+ / 0-)
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        Rove should never be the face of the GOP. He should be skulking about in the shadows. If the GOP wants to move to the center - or at least give the appearance of doing so - they need to get a new face, and not the face of a dirty trickster.

        I don't think anyone will buy Rove as a centrist.

        The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

        by A Citizen on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:36:17 AM PST

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      •  Now would be the time to have (1+ / 0-)
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        Bet on / invested in  lipstick futures....

        While I am a fan of "finding common ground", we should keep in mind just who won the election....

        by left my heart on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:37:51 AM PST

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      •  And there is the problem: (3+ / 0-)
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        he's only pretending.
        And we all know there are those who will say "good enough" and step over to join him because, you know, bipartisanship is better than actually getting something positive done.  Even/especially when it isn't real bipartisanship.

        The DLC types, and the Third Way types, and the Americans Elect types - the Blue Dogs always gravitate to this, regardless of where the Overton Window is placed.

        Neville Chamberlain may be dead, but his ilk still thrive.

        I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

        by trumpeter on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 10:19:55 AM PST

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      •  Rove is essentially sticking to the same (1+ / 0-)
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        chameleon act that helped Bush get not-quite-elected, and then not-quite-reelected.

        In 2000, he tacked to a kind of moderate left optics, acting as if there were no daylight between Gore on prescription drugs for seniors and Bush on prescription drugs for seniors. "Compassionate conservatism" was floated as as thing, though no one knew what its content was -- other than some vague sense that the man coming by to hand you the pink slip would do so with a concerned, empathetic look on his face.

        In 2004, conservative Republicans had a branding advantage: their man was behind the Oval Office desk on 9/11, which (perversely) meant that they could associate him with the pathos of the day, and with the aggressive military retribution that Bush waged shortly thereafter, retribution waged on increasingly irrelevant targets.

        Republicans, at that time, for some unknown reason, held an advantage on foreign policy, portraying themselves as the grownups in the room, the people that knew what needed to be done. Bush's military campaign was more messianic than pragmatic, but still! And religious conservatism provided Rove with a way to connect Bush's military aggression to domestic policy: through the sense that only a morally upright (antigay, antiwoman) American social compact could provide Bush with the support he needed to "succeed" in the war on terror.

        Rove will go with whatever provides him with the appropriate optics, regardless of the actual policies in question. You can bet that whoever he will support will enact the crazy stuff, dissolving Social Security and flattening the tax rate, but with the stern, sober face of Republican statesmen from an erstwhile era.

        Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

        by Dale on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 12:54:01 PM PST

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    •  Reach across the "aisle" (0+ / 0-)

      An "isle" is a small island.

      An "aisle" runs between two sections of seats.

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