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  •  Well Palin was the last straw for most. (34+ / 0-)

    I wouldn't say i was a major Fox drone or anything. And back when I was watching Fox you have to remember there was Hannity AND COLMES and a seemingly more balanced presence there. It really got a lot worse around Bush's re-election onward, and by then I wasn't really watching Fox anymore (i was a college student without cable).

    But once Palin hit the scene, it seemed obvious that the dopes in the Party were starting to actually take over and had no direction from the smarter ones in the party.

    As for being "fiscally conservative" -- i don't even know what that means anymore.

    Is it fiscally conservative to cut taxes forever?

    Is it fiscally conservative to advocate for austerity?

    If so, call me a fiscal liberal, because I hate Austerity, and think spending should be constrained by inflation risk, not by anything else. And i too believe in spending on infrastructure and less on defense (until it's necessary).

    So what does it really mean? I find that it's actually kind of a ridiculous term "fiscal conservative".

    There's no reason to restrain spending in raw economic terms when there's near deflation. So I suppose even fiscally I am now a liberal, if fighting for less inequality, more progressive taxation, higher spendin on social programs makes me that.

    "fiscal conservatism" back in the bush years to me meant lower taxes for rich people, like I was planning to be. and freeer markets. so it's really a misnomer if anything.

    •  So Palin was a big factor, if so, that happened (11+ / 0-)

      to a friend of mine with a similar conversion type story who said everything changed for him when McCain picked Palin, the financial collapse, and the ugly racism of the Republican party in 2008.  

      If Palin was a huge factor, that still did not stop you for voting for McCain/Palin? Was some of that because you saw the polls and knew McCain was likely to lose and you were not ready to vote for a Democrat?

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      by wishingwell on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 04:03:04 AM PST

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    •  I actually have a cool conservative (2+ / 0-)
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      friend---meaning he's smart as a whip and eminently easy to have a political conversation with despite our differences--- and his deal isn't about less spending, it's about smarter spending. You ask him about the Defense budget and he'll tell you there's many ways we need to spend on Defense, most of which we're not doing.  

      For instance, he brings up the role in the invention and employment of the internet that the defense department had. There's much to be done yet, and it is probably one of our biggest security pluses or risks. (Which oddly, came up on Thom Hartmann today, and I thought of my friend.) He points out that a national internet infrastructure much stronger than the one we have is paramount to our security in about a hundred ways.

      He believes that government unchecked becomes a bureaucratic money wasting machine, which there is some truth in. So for him, being a conservative is about measured and expert use of government resources.  He admits his party is not there, or anywhere close, but he can't bring himself to be an independent or a Democrat because he believes government will never achieve his dream of optimal efficiency without the republican party to counter Democratic excess,  

      I bring this all up because I think perhaps it's a reasonable definition of a true "fiscal conservative" that's reasonable.  Which is not to say I agree with him all around, or would choose his path. There are many flaws in his logic, imo.  But he's the only conservative I've ever heard talk about something other than reducing taxes.

      And BTW, socially, he's as liberal as it gets.  But then again, for him the definition of conservative is a government that stays out of personal decisions.  

      "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

      by StellaRay on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:50:57 PM PST

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