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  •  What made you think otherwise? (7+ / 0-)

    Obama's doing just fine with his drone attacks, I have little to complain about in that area.

    But I think the main focus now should be divesting the military and investing in domestic programs and infrastructure.

    I think the response and the tension that we bring should be relative to the facts of the risks we face. Right now we're in peacetime and we should fund the military with that fact in mind.

    For example, I don't think we should be messing with Iran. I am a supporter of Hagel's views in that area. I think also that we should be viewing Israel with extreme suspicion and demanding that they disarm their nuclear weapons.

    So, in some areas, like the response to 9/11, i'm a hawk still. But going forward I don't think I would be labeled as such.

    Again, this is all about labels though right? It doesn't mean much, except to put people in a box and say "oh, you're a hawk in this area, so let me put up a straw man that assumes you believe X in some other policy area". So if anything I've learned just how destructive labels can be sometimes, while I recognize their importance as well in classifying areas of opinion.

    •  You are t hen no longer a hawk, Bravo,cool! (0+ / 0-)

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      by wishingwell on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 06:20:55 AM PST

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    •  The disagreement over response to 911 (6+ / 0-)

      wasn't hawk vs. dove.  That misses the entire argument.  It was and is about smart and strong vs. stupid and weak.

      Had Bush gone into Afghanistan with overwhelming force, swiftly destroyed Al Qaeda, and then gotten the fuck out in less than a year, that would have been smart and strong.  Terrorists would have learned there was a price for attacking the US.  Instead Bush gave the terrorists the chance to bleed our nation's wealth in two lengthy Asian land wars.  He didn't even nail Al Qaeda's leader!  That's stupid and weak.  

      There were a few doves after 911, but they were not a significant voice.  I personally knew of no liberals who advocated letting Al Qaeda get away with 911.  The only major political player who didn't care about nailing Bin Laden was your boy Bush, who said he didn't think much about him when asked how the hunt for him was going.  

      You really need to come to terms with the damage  Bush's wars caused the US.  20 years from now we will still be paying the price for Bush's follies.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 10:57:04 AM PST

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      •  Well said Sub, I agree, I was just using hawk in (1+ / 0-)
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        reference to 2004 well after Bush invaded Iraq and we knew about his pre emptive war strategy and also voting for McCain who is a well known war hawk. But you totally hit the nail on the head about the reaction to 9-11.

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        by wishingwell on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 01:51:06 PM PST

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