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  •  To be honest, I've been listening to liberals (11+ / 0-)

    spout off about mental illness for weeks around here.
    ( Anybody who wants can check my comment history)

    Democrats are every bit as scary as Republicans when it comes to attitudes toward the mentally ill. I've heard myself called some nasty, ignorant things around here the past few weeks.

    And this kinda thing...

    As part of that service, anyone who uses the service will automatically be screened for whether they should be allowed to carry, possess or use a lethal weapon.  
    Well, that's just gonna keep people from seeking treatment.
    •  Isn't that what the purpose of... (2+ / 0-)
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      this whole thing?  Reducing the access to guns for those who do not need them?  Not every person using the service would be ineligible to carry or possess a weapon, just those with violent tendencies.

      I agree that Democrats can be anti-mental health but it is more aligned with democratic core values than it is with republicans.  If republicans are getting milage out of accusing democrats of not supporting comprehensive mental health, force them to vote on it.  I doubt seriously that they will back up their ridiculous assertions with a vote in support of mental health care but it what expose them to what they are...liars and hypocrites.

      "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

      by Buckeye Nut Schell on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:42:47 AM PST

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      •  What? (5+ / 0-)
        Isn't that what the purpose of... (0+ / 0-)

        this whole thing?  Reducing the access to guns for those who do not need them?

        No, it's about PROVIDING DECENT, DE-STIGMATIZED MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES. ( Note the lack of the word " gun" in that sentence.

        Umm, I'm thinking that maybe you're as gun obsessed as the NRA you hate so much?

        Good Lord.

        •  okay... (0+ / 0-)

          I see your point.  I was not very clear.

          The point I was trying to make was that this is the time to get comprehensive mental health legislation through congress because the republicans who are usually very opposed to anything that costs money and helps anyone are the ones asking for it.  Now, I believe they are being disingenuous but it will be difficult for them to cry and whine about needing mental health care instead of gun restrictions and then vote against mental health care.

          I do not hate guns nor gun owners but I do not like the NRA because they are a gun lobby disguised as a sportsman's club and they have worked diligently to sabotage any form of sensible gun laws.  I own guns and have supported the second amendment many times here on this website.  However, Newtown has changed my thinking and I have moved significantly to the left.

          Requiring a gun license like people already need for a concealed carry permit (and to drive a car), liability insurance to make sure you are responsible for your weapons and special permits for more deadly, high capacity guns like are olready required for automatic weapons should be the first step in reducing gun violence.  Effective mental health is an entirely different objective (not less than but different like healthcare) but it is an opportune time to push for legislation to improve it because of the current focus due to gun related violence.

          "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

          by Buckeye Nut Schell on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:36:28 AM PST

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    •  Given that so many people (3+ / 0-)

      could be judged mentally ill, the standard for denying a civil right should be higher. Are they a danger to themselves or others? These things are not easily judged, even in a court of law with medical professionals testifying.

      Most mentally ill are not violent. That needs to be a major consideration. And those who become violent are not always predictable. But having them plugged into treatment would be a deterrent.

      It is a narrow ledge we walk.

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