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  •  It's just ridiculous (13+ / 0-)

    that they felt the need to kick the can down the road. We're good enough to serve in the military but not good enough to camp in the woods with? Please.

    •  I'd camp in the woods with you and Brian (6+ / 0-)

      any old time. ;)

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:51:09 AM PST

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    •  I don't think it is the camping in the woods thing (11+ / 0-)

      If you pay attention to the news (at least in California) lately there have been several camp counsellors and other scouting officials who have come out as being gay. All of them Eagle Scouts. At some point they have to recognize that the gay men are in scouts. The ban isn't exactly keeping them out.

      Boy scouts is 100% dependent on charter organizations, mostly churches. The whole purpose of the lift was to let each organization make its own decisions regarding membership which is fair. Currently only a charter rep from the organization can approve or disallow troop membership. The BSA policy bans gays, and the chartered organizations agree to that ban when they agree to sponsor a troop. Our troop has gay parents and gay members and our church doesn't care. The local district kind of follows a dont ask dont tell policy.

      BSA has a very rigid youth protection policy that prohibits one-on-one contact with adults and scouts. Adults and scouts can't share a tent unless it is a father and son. I can't give a scout a ride home unless someone else is in the car with me. Banning homosexuals for 100 years hasn't exactly kept the abuse out of scouts.

      Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

      by voracious on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:01:08 AM PST

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      •  Camping in a tent is one argument (3+ / 0-)
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        Probably not one prevalent at the board level, but definitely a key concept for the fearful ignorati commenting on the issue. They have visions of orgies, and straight kids being raped in the night by gay kids.

        "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

        by Catte Nappe on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:55:54 AM PST

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        •  That's in part because, from my understanding (1+ / 0-)
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          and memory of comments from months ago, often when two teenage scouts get caught engaging in sexual behaviors together on a scouting outing, the framing used is that the scout seen as least upstanding faces being thrown out as a homosexual predator and the most upstanding of the two is kept on with the understanding that the official line is that he was a victim of the other scout.

          This no matter what was actually going on, whether it was fully consensual activity at an inappropriate place and time or an actual sexually abusive event - sometimes even if the more upstanding scout was the one committing assault.

          Their own methods of tracking incidents on camping trips have framed nearly any male/male sexual event the scout leaders found out about as assault and they have carefully taught gay scouts to stay closeted - so of course they have an institutional belief that gay scouts are potential rapists. They don't let themselves see any others.

          Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

          by Cassandra Waites on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:55:10 PM PST

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      •  I think that type of policy (7+ / 0-)

        (requiring at least 2 adults with a child rather than one on one) is pretty common nowadays. I know 4-H and Little League both have a similar policy.

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