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  •  They've been derided (0+ / 0-)

    for some time now.  If they make the decision and suffer significant loss of membership due to sponsor organizations bailing how does that support the Scouts?  

    I take it you support Scouting and Scouts?  So again, why don't we help them make the right decision?

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:48:29 AM PST

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    •  I have written them (1+ / 0-)
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      if that addresses your concern.

    •  It's not either/or. (7+ / 0-)

      I'm all for helping them to make the right decision--but they justly deserve all the derision they are getting and more because they are not living up to their own values.

      (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

      by homogenius on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:57:16 AM PST

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      •  And this derision is affecting their scouts which (12+ / 0-)

        is turning up the heat on the national members who make this choice.

        My son is a 16 year old Eagle scout who does not want to put that honor on his college or job applications because the person reading them might be gay and might think he hates gay people because he is in scouts (this is a direct quote from him). He loves scouting and has made tons of great friends but he was devastated last summer when his favorite camp counsellor was fired for being gay. The rest of the counsellors quit in protest and my son went from wanting to work at that camp with those great kids to being angry with BSA for ruining a great program.

        Scouts and their families are turning up the heat for this change, but I am afraid that the people voting in May will not represent the views of the members. I suspect they will vote to keep the ban, just like they did last summer.

        Shame on them.

        Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

        by voracious on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:05:02 AM PST

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        •  I'm afraid you may be right. (8+ / 0-)

          You have just expressed my biggest fear.

          My best friend is head of the board for his younger son's Cub Pack in Southern Orange County.  In addition, the sponsoring body is the American Legion Post (very conservative).  

          He has a terrible time getting parents to volunteer and a lot of the guys who work their way up the chain at the local council are in it more for their own gratification that to serve the boys.

          I had a female coworker over ten years ago who had worked as an Admin for the Mt. Diablo Council in Northern Calif.  She described the work environment as a bunch of overgrown frat boys--sexist, racist, and homophobic as hell.  

          The BSA is a very undemocratic organization--very top-down in management style. The sponsoring bodies have infinitely more power than parents or boys.

          A lot may depend on whether there is a clear majority on the Executive Board to adopt a less exclusionary policy and whether they can sell it to the National Council.  I don't know the politics well enough to know what percentage of the National Council is made up of members of anti-gay organizations and how strictly they will toe the official line (the mormons certainly will).

          One possibility is that the Board members favoring inclusiveness want more time to negotiate with or persuade the anti-gay sponsors.

          (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

          by homogenius on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:44:52 AM PST

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