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  •  Previously, Routh told police in Dallas (3+ / 0-)
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    that he was suffering from PTSD.  I would not think he would use that term unless he had been told, but we will find out soon, hopefully.

    "The 25-year-old man accused in this weekend’s killing of Navy Seal Chris Kyle and another man was taken to a mental hospital in September after “threatening to kill himself and his family,” according to a Lancaster police report.

    On Sept. 2, Lancaster police officers responded to the report of a major disturbance in the 200 block of West Sixth Street.

    When police arrived, they found Eddie Ray Routh walking nearby. He smelled of alcohol, the report said.

    “Eddie was emotional and crying,” the report said.

    Police also noted that he was not wearing shoes or a shirt. Routh told police that he was a Marine veteran suffering from PTSD.

    “Eddie stated he was hurting and that his family does not understand what he has been through,” the report said.

    Police spoke with Routh’s mother, Jodi, who told police that he had been drinking and that he had become upset when his father said he was going to sell his gun.

    “She stated Eddie began arguing and stated that he was going to ‘blow his brains out,’” the report said.

    Fearing for the safety of Routh and his family, police put him into protective custody and took him to Green Oaks Psychiatric Hospital for a mental evaluation.

    Also, according to another police report out of Lancaster, Routh’s mother called police on the night of May 14 to report a burglary.

    The report listed Routh as the suspect and indicated that nine pill bottles were taken. It’s unclear what drugs were stolen.

    Dallas police say Eddie Ray Routh also had a run-in with them just last month.

    On Jan. 19, a woman had called police to an apartment complex in the 7600 block of Churchill Way in North Dallas because she feared for Routh’s safety.

    Routh was in distress and wanting to get help, so officers took him to Green Oaks for a mental health evaluation.

    It was his second trip to the psychiatric hospital in four months."

    http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/...

    •  I think DaNang's point is (6+ / 0-)

      ...even if you read about it in the news, do not talk about it a Daily Kos.

      Truth be told, it does create a distortion and a stigma. And those who say they have PTSD feel it acutely.

      The meme could interfere with the way Americas see gun ownership.



      Denial is a drug.

      by Pluto on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:52:44 PM PST

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    •  An accused murderer states that he has what (2+ / 0-)
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      he mistakenly believes is a condition that might mitigate his punishment. I trust your credibilty evaluations are better in your personal affairs.

      “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

      by DaNang65 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 04:02:01 PM PST

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      •  It has nothing to do with me, (1+ / 0-)
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        so maybe you should question why you went there.

        Reporting what's in the news in Dallas.

        •  You wrote (0+ / 0-)
          I would not think he would use that term unless he had been told, but we will find out soon, hopefully.
          I got an email from someone who said he was a 'Nigerian prince" . . .

          “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

          by DaNang65 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:29:18 PM PST

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    •  He *said* he had PTSD (2+ / 0-)
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      Thing is, PTSD is not the likeliest cause of his being taken in for psych eval twice. Nor is PTSD the likeliest cause of his actions at the shooting range. From what bits are emerging in the news I'd guess a likelier cause of what happened is schizophrenia. This situation may be a good demonstration of the "correlation does not equal causation" standard.  Schizophrenia tends to manifest in young adulthood.  Thus it is going to appear simultaneously with the prime years of military service. Is it PTSD, or emerging symptoms of schizophrenia?  A whole lot more information is needed to say in this case, and a whole lot more research to say about the general population.  It doesn't help that the stresses of combat may possibly exacerbate other underlying mental health issues that might have been "dormant" otherwise.

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      by Catte Nappe on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 05:25:15 PM PST

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      •  Indeed, having PTSD (3+ / 0-)
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        doesn't make you immune from other mental disorders. Obviously someone who threatens to kill his family needs serious and immediate help and should definitely not have access to guns.

        PTSD is just a red herring.

      •  The same newspaper reported that at the time of (3+ / 0-)
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        the arrest in which he claimed to be suffering from that condition he clearly had been drinking. I think Catte Nappe's idea deserves consideration.

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        by BlackSheep1 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:13:53 PM PST

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      •  FWIW (1+ / 0-)
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        His brother in law also reported:

        "He's recently diagnosed with PTSD … he's been acting a little weird from that," the husband said, adding that he believes Routh had guns in the truck.

        Note the word 'recently'.

        http://www.khou.com/...

        •  His lawyer: (1+ / 0-)
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          One of his attorneys said Wednesday that he and his co-counsel will soon ask a judge for an independent mental evaluation of their client.

          Shay Isham said that his request is “imminent” and that he expects state District Judge Jason Cashon to appoint a doctor to examine Routh right away. Isham said the doctor will probably report back to the judge on Routh’s mental state, then share that information with defense attorneys and prosecutors.

          Although Routh’s family members and some officials have said Routh, who served in Iraq, suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder, Isham said he has no official knowledge of that, “although I don’t doubt it.”

          “Here’s what I know,” Isham said. “I’ve heard the family speak of PTSD, I’ve heard our local county officials speak of PTSD. I know that the Tuesday before the murders, he was with doctors at the VA, and the week before that he was at inpatient treatment at the VA. He was being treated for mental health issues, but whether he had been diagnosed with PTSD, I don’t know that.”

          http://www.dallasnews.com/...

          We'll presumably know more eventually, but I'm still holding to the opinion that more is going on here than just PTSD.

          "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

          by Catte Nappe on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 03:03:30 PM PST

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          •  Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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            And on a side note, it is also true that illnesses are not always accurately diagnosed.

            Although there has been much more research in recent years, we still do not know a lot about the brain.

            Entertwine that with consciousness, personality, psychology, sociology, etc., and these diagnoses can be very complicated.

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