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  •  Internet killed the Post Office star (4+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, but I have real trouble getting worked up about the end of Saturday delivery. You know why the postal service is dying?

    Email. Facebook. Paperless billing. Online tax filing.

    I haven't sent mail via the U.S. postal service in years now. And it's not because I send a lot of stuff via UPS or FedEx either; it's because a huge percentage of what we used to use the postal service for can now be done much more efficiently electronically.

    There are some evils we can pin on the Republican party. The end of Saturday delivery (and the slow death of the US Postal Service as we know and understand it) doesn't really strike me as one of them. It doesn't even really strike me as a particular "evil."

    "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

    by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:21:25 AM PST

    •  It is the goal of the Republican party (3+ / 0-)
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      to destroy the USPS.  They are working feverishly to do so.  No doubt about that.  And it is an insult to the American people.  As I have posted, many receive their VA medications through the mail all across the country.  Sometimes the system cuts it very close (to the exact day or a few days too late, to get Rx's - life saving ones - to veterans).  So many of you need to realize that just because you don't use the USPS - the common good is not adversely affected by this Republican-right wing plot to destroy the USPS.

      •  Extraordinary claims (1+ / 0-)
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        require extraordinary evidence. Where is your evidence of this "plot?"

        All I see is a natural contraction of an entity that is used less and less with each passing year.

        "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

        by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:37:16 AM PST

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        •  There is a body of evidence (4+ / 0-)

          right before your very eyes:

          1. Privatization of jails & prisons.
          2. Privatization of schools (pushing vouchers).
          3. Privatization of highways, roads, freeways.
          4. Privatization of Social Security = destroying SS.
          5. Privatization of government services - license issuance
                                                                        criminal checks
                                                                        child protection
                                                                        social services
                                                                        birth certificates
                                                                        Job training

          & Privatization of  colleges and schools - so called for profit diploma mills with horrible dropout rates - adversely affecting state and other public colleges and universities.  All Republican agenda items.  There is evidence of a concerted attempt to destroy good government, the common good, the public sector and turn it all over to for profit entities.                                                                                              

          •  If that's all you've got, (0+ / 0-)

            you're not going to convince me. And I'm not going to convince you. So have a lovely day!

            "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

            by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:53:59 AM PST

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            •  Do you relish (3+ / 0-)

              a minimally functioning Postal System? Do you think the proposal to eliminate Saturday delivery is a good thing? I don't, and if you aren't swayed by other's reason, at least you could provide some of your own.

              •  I did (1+ / 0-)
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                in my original post.

                Mail volume is way down. It makes sense to eliminate one day of service. I don't view this as the sky falling.

                I do think that it's problematic that the postal service has to pre-fund its pension plan. But I don't find the end of Saturday service particularly problematic. And I don't think that that suddenly makes postal service "minimally functioning."

                "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

                by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:35:15 AM PST

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            •  Moreover (2+ / 0-)
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              You’d think that the Congress-induced collapse of the Postal Service, which is causing the loss of Saturday mail, which disproportionately impacts Republican rural and elderly constituencies, would cause them to rise up in a frenzy against their tea leaders, but I doubt it will happen. When they’re waiting an extra days for their mail order prescriptions* from the VA, Medicare-financed diabetes test strips, letters from other oldsters, checks from their kids in the cities, and the latest Franklin Graham newsletter, the last entity that they’ll be railing against is Congress. The Post Office itself and “Government” in general will get a thrashing in their minds, but there will be no action. Years of anti-government rhetoric has turned it into an abstract, evil entity that just needs to be starved. The idea that a few relatively minor legislative changes could keep Saturday deliveries coming won’t make it into Fox News, so it will be far from their consciousness.
    •  WRONG. (5+ / 0-)

      Nope.  E-mail and paperless billing aren't killing the post office.  It's not helping, sure (one reason I don't do it), but what they lose from the internet as far as paperless goes, they make up for in packages bought from online retailers... which is one of the chief ways people do their shopping nowdays.  And 97% of the mail involves businesses, governments, and non-profits, anyway - paying your bills online isn't really impacting it all that much.

      What's killing off the post office is congressional tampering, mostly from Republicans who are taking payoffs from FedEx and UPS to do it.  

      Starting in 2006, there was legislation requiring the post office to pre-fund future retirement benefits for the next 75 years, giving them 10 years to do it.  That's almost $6 billion a year that they have to clear over the rest of their profits just to pay that off... and it's some trumped-up, completely-unfair bullshit that's not required of any other federal agency or business in this country.  It's a concentrated effort on the part of the right-wing to create an artificial crisis to drive the post office out of business so it can be privatized.

      And as soon as they take away our alternatives, the already-incredibly-expensive-and-shitty UPS and FedEX will jack their prices sky-high.

      I fucking HATE UPS and Fed-Ex.  I will not use them if I am given any other alternative.  I've got nothing against their delivery people - I deal with several of 'em on a daily basis and they're cool - but the business itself is lousy.  

      The United States Postal Service is much better - I get a PO box so my mail isn't left out all day and subject to thieves and being ruined by weather, I get much better service when I want to mail something, they're much more helpful in tracking packages.  

      The Post Office employs 8 million people, 40% women, 40% minorities, and 22% veterans, and they're unionized -- another reason the right-wing hates them.

      Here's more info:  http://my.firedoglake.com/...

      "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

      by Front Toward Enemy on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 08:59:43 AM PST

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      •  Hard to take what you write seriously (0+ / 0-)

        when you claim the post office employs 8 million people.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

        by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:07:35 AM PST

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        •  think bigger (2+ / 0-)
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          Here, read something other than Wikipedia:  http://about.usps.com/...

          The U.S. Postal Service is the core of the trillion dollar mailing industry that employs more than 8 million people.

          "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

          by Front Toward Enemy on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:12:12 AM PST

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          •  Sorry, that simply doesn't pass the smell test (0+ / 0-)

            That would mean it employed about 5 percent of the American labor force.

            "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

            by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:36:52 AM PST

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            •  In fact, from YOUR link (0+ / 0-)

              "546,000 — number of career employees "

              "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

              by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:38:15 AM PST

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            •  connected industries (1+ / 0-)
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              You're still thinking small and literal.  Think bigger.  If they go down, a lot of businesses connected to them go down.

              Hell, one business that'll suffer a lot from the loss of the post office is the fucking UPS and FedEx.  Did you know that they actually ship a lot of their stuff with the US mail?  True.

              "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

              by Front Toward Enemy on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:41:09 AM PST

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              •  Look, no one is arguing that (1+ / 0-)
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                we want to see the end of the USPS. And I agree that pre-funding pensions is an idiotic requirement.

                But I think looking at the end of Saturday delivery-- a logical cost-saving measure for a shrinking industry-- and reading into that "this is the end" is hyperbolic. And I think that quoting numbers like "8 million employees" does nothing to make people think you're being anything other than hyperbolic. If your goal is to wave your arms around and convince people on the fringe that the sky is falling, but all means, continue.

                If your goal is to actually do something to effect change: I'm pro-labor, pro-government, pro-union. I'm the sort of person who should be sympathetic to your message. And I'm finding your messaging hyperbolic and unconvincing. How do you think it will play to a larger audience that isn't left-leaning?

                "Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common." Dorothy Parker

                by dedmonds on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:46:25 AM PST

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      •  True Dat (0+ / 0-)

        What company funds retirement benefits for people that haven't even been born yet, much less hired by that company? For the USPS, the combination of not being able to raise prices while having to comply with idiot mandates like this is a sure recipe for bankruptcy.

        But the 75-year retirement fund requirement is not just about destroying the USPS, folks! It also creates an enormous pot of money that will end up in the pockets of the GOP donors running whatever non-governmental entity that replaces the USPS. No retired employee will see a dime of it if the GOP has its way. Straight out of the Bain Capital playbook.

        Democracy - Not Plutocracy!

        by vulcangrrl on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 11:46:20 AM PST

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