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  •  Brennan: (8+ / 0-)

    "We only take actions to save lives... mitigate that threat"

    We know this is a blatant lie.

    He says that "people are reacting to a lot of falsehoods out there" and says that a lot of Americans have the wrong idea about the drone program.   Well I wonder how that freaking happened?  They kept saying it was a secret program and they rarely report on who they killed.  

    Brennan: "We need to optimize transparency and at the same time optimize secrecy"

    "We've been very disciplined and very judicious".  He says that they only kill when they absolutely have to.

    I wonder how they can explain that strike on an entire town meeting, a jirga, in Pakistan.


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 12:52:34 PM PST

    •  i'm pretty sure that he will lie through his teeth (6+ / 0-)

      continuously about the drone program.  the senate is not going to try him for it.  it's really a matter for international bodies to take up at this point.  the drone program as it exists appears to be in violation of international law and the laws of war.  apparently the white house feels that international law is as malleable as american law (or at least american judges interpretations of law).  i suspect that redefining words (like imminent) is not going to work, should an international court take up the issue.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 01:01:04 PM PST

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      •  Juan Cole's Top 5 Objections to White House's (4+ / 0-)
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        Drone Killing Memo".
        You comment made me think of THIS part of his list (all emphasis mine).

        http://www.juancole.com/...

        2. To any extent that the President’s powers under the memo are alleged to derive from the 2001 Congressional Authorization for the Use of Military Force, i.e. from the legislature, they are a form of  bill of attainder (the History Learning Site explains what that is here):

         “A bill, act or writ of attainder was a piece of legislation that declared a person or persons guilty of a crime. A bill of attainder allowed for the guilty party to be punished without a trial. A bill of attainder was part of English common law. Whereas Habeus Corpus guaranteed a fair trial by jury, a bill of attainder bypassed this. The word “attainder” meant tainted. A bill of attainder was mostly used for treason . . . and such a move suspended a person’s civil rights and guaranteed that the person would be found guilty of the crimes stated in the bill as long as the Royal Assent was gained. For serious crimes such as treason, the result was invariably execution.”

        What, you might ask, is wrong with that? Only that it is unconstitutional.  Tech Law Journal explains:

        “The Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 provides that: “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed.” . . .

        “These clauses of the Constitution are not of the broad, general nature of the Due Process Clause, but refer to rather precise legal terms which had a meaning under English law at the time the Constitution was adopted. A bill of attainder was a legislative act that singled out one or more persons and imposed punishment on them, without benefit of trial. Such actions were regarded as odious by the framers of the Constitution because it was the traditional role of a court, judging an individual case, to impose punishment.” William H. Rehnquist, The Supreme Court, page 166.

        The form of the AUMF, in singling out all members of al-Qaeda wherever they are and regardless of nationality or of actual criminal action, as objects of legitimate lethal force, is that of a bill of attainder. Congress cannot declare war on small organizations– war is declared on states. Such a bill of attainder is inherently unconstitutional.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 01:30:02 PM PST

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      •  I want to study (1+ / 0-)
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        the laws of war and international law in more detail. I know some of the basics, but I want to know more specifics.  I hate reading law text so I'd prefer to find some good sources that boil it down.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 02:06:14 PM PST

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        •  here's a place to start... (1+ / 0-)
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          in the living under drones report there is a legal analysis section which discusses in pretty great detail how the various domestic, international and laws of war apply to the us drone program in pakistan.  it also seems to me to be a pretty good introduction to some of the rules of law as it gives you an idea of what they might look like to someone who is applying them.

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 02:32:01 PM PST

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    •  Certain "public servants" like Cheney and Brennan (3+ / 0-)
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      make me cringe, and Brennan no less than Cheney did.

      What in the hell has happened to this country?

      Perhaps Brennan's confirmation will be held up due to financial problems like Hagel's?????

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 01:09:05 PM PST

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      •  I've heard that (2+ / 0-)
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        he is expected to be confirmed with at least 85 votes. I hope that changes due to the release of the white paper or some responses from this hearing or the closed hearing on Tuesday.  Maybe the media is sitting on something like they were sitting on the white paper?


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 02:09:30 PM PST

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        •  Ron Wyden of Oregon threatened to filibuster (2+ / 0-)
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          The Hill reported

          President Obama’s nominee for CIA director will be bombarded with questions Thursday in a Senate hearing that could bring new revelations about the targeted killings of U.S. citizens overseas. Opposition to the nomination of John Brennan, now Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, surfaced quickly among Republicans after the White House tapped him to replace David Petraeus as CIA director.

          But Monday's leak of a confidential Department of Justice (DOJ) paper justifying the use of armed drone strikes against suspected terrorists — even if those suspects are U.S. citizens — has lit a fire under liberals as well.

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          One liberal senator, Ron Wyden of Oregon, has even threatened to defy Obama and filibuster Brennan’s nomination over the drone program.
          Burr just made a joke about waterboarding. Disgusting.

          Well, I guess this hearing closes the public's portion and now it will go to closed hearing on Tuesday.

          And Hagel is still waiting with no date in sight.....

          “The committee’s vote on Senator Hagel’s nomination has not been scheduled,” Levin said in a statement. “I had hoped to hold a vote on the nomination this week, but the committee’s review of the nomination is not yet complete. I intend to schedule a vote on the nomination as soon as possible.”

          "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

          by allenjo on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 02:43:29 PM PST

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          •  Bombarded with tough questions? (2+ / 0-)
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            I don't know what hearing they were expecting but it did not come about.  This was mostly a softball hearing, don't you think?


            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 02:50:59 PM PST

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            •  Well, 4 years of a Democratic president can (3+ / 0-)
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              certainly change the climate and public opinion to accept what was previously deemed unacceptable.

              It was pretty much a lovefest. If there were harsh exchanges, I certainly missed them.

              Love is all around Brennan, it seems. Which should be very pleasing to the president.

              "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

              by allenjo on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 03:07:04 PM PST

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    •  I wonder how that freaking happened? (3+ / 0-)
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      a lot of Americans have the wrong idea about the drone program.   Well I wonder how that freaking happened?

      Yeah, with the most open transparent administration in the history of this country, how did that freaking happen?

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 01:41:50 PM PST

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