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  •  so then the operators (0+ / 0-)

    piloting the drones just open fire? My understanding is the opposite.

    •  Of Course... (7+ / 0-)

      Remember that Norden Bombsight?

      That made certain that bombs always fell exactly where the operator directed, and no civilian was ever killed by the explosion.

      Your equating of aiming with due process is quite disingenuous.

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 07:29:39 AM PST

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      •  that's not an apples to apples comparison (0+ / 0-)

        but the fact is that the US army airforce was in fact much more accurate then the british since you bring it up

        and it's disingenous to pretend that civilian causalities are anything but way lower then they were then

        •  Because no Civilian is ever killed! (3+ / 0-)
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          Yeah, we got that argument.  Just like there were no civilians in Dresden, Tokyo, or Kobe.

          Everybody who is killed is an enemy combatant.

          Unless proven otherwise.

          I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

          by detroitmechworks on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 07:40:54 AM PST

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        •  Who is the enemy here (13+ / 0-)

          and who decides that the people we kill with drones are terrorists or going to be terrorists? The AUFM and the other creepy legislation that has been passed since 9/11, like NDAA, FISA, the super new secret Patriot Act, Homeland Security, all these bogus laws are based on a 'war' against terror.  The word is the battlefield and anyone can be declared a terrorist or to be aiding terrorism.

          This is not the same thing as a war against a nation state with a army and a real battlefield. It's a endless war as it's never winnable as one of it's features is that there is always a new Goldstein or fresh enemies of the state to kill or use as  endless boogie men.  These people we kill, bomb, torture lock up in places like Bagram or whose countries we invade are declared terrorists if they resist or harbor terrorists. What kind of war is this? An endless war with an endless constantly changing enemy and that enemy is anyone anywhere who the Spooks put on their hit list.      

          WW2 comparisons do not work. You can drag up Dresden or Hiroshima both of which were horrendous, but this Orwellian GWOT isn't the same. It's illegal, immoral, cowardly and chilling. Claiming the people we kill are terrorists after the fact while targeting weddings and funerals and people's dwellings isn't war it's terrorism. It's not real war with a definable enemy. The enemy is anyone who resists our neocon preemptive geopolitical killing and wants us out of their land. It's also anyone anywhere who might become a terrorist, including US citizens. This bogus war has destroyed our inalienable rights here in der homeland and allowed crimes against humanity to be legalized.  

          Actually if your going to make WW2 comparisons I think that we are the 'rogue' nation here. We have decided to kill and eliminate large swaths of humans who resist our NWO, using the same classic excuse evil empire always do 'protecting the Homeland'.  


          •  I think you've confused me with the other (1+ / 0-)
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            commenter or blended our argumetns together

            •  You both seem (10+ / 0-)

              to be cut of the same cloth. You are both arguing under the assumption that the GWOT is legitimate and there fore drones are like air strikes and a tool that is okay to use on humans we decide are terrorists. I'm saying the whole concept and implementation of this so called war is bogus. The global war on terror itself is international terrorism and it does not protect Americans or anyone. What protects people are those inalienable human and civil rights and truths.  The ones people have for centuries developed and used to protect themselves form the would be inhuman threatening assholes who always wrap themselves in nationalism, patriotism and fear and then proclaim they are protecting the Homeland. Meanwhile we here in the US have no protection as we too are all potential threats to der Homeland's security. Whose gonna protect us from these would be rule the world neocons and their greedy immoral sponsors who's mercenaries are our armed forces and the uber secret spook/gestapo/KGB security state ? Misplaced fear abounds.  

              Where's my habeas corpus?    

        •  The US was, in the early stages of our involvement (3+ / 0-)
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          in the war, actually trying to hit targets of military value.

          The British were firebombing cities from the start.  They flat-out called it terror bombing.  Their objective was not to cripple the German military or even military production, but to murder so many of the daughters and grandmothers of German soldiers that they would cease to fight.

          The British were not "less accurate".  They had different aims.

          "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

          by JesseCW on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:45:00 PM PST

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