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  •  well as I somewhat support (0+ / 0-)

    the use of drones and it was directed at me I'll take up that question

    The fact is that the use of drones isn't random and it's not done lightly. While we may not technically be at war with the other fact is that these nations willingly and knowingly harbor and support terrorists groups. As such it's at least my opinion that those nations don't have the grounds to complain.  I rather wish the US was not the only nation doing this but realistically the US is the only nation capable and willing to do it.

    The morality of this may in the end be questionable but I don't see a better option as these terrorists are entirely too dangerous and will not stop. As I see it this is a war and the president and military have the obligation to carry it out as best they can.

    •  Okay... (6+ / 0-)
      While we may not technically be at war with the other fact is that these nations willingly and knowingly harbor and support terrorists groups.
      And we knowingly harbor war criminals. (George W Bush has been named a war criminal in several countries, for example.)

      Since we won't allow his extradition, I take it you'd be fine with other countries sending drones into the US and taking him out? I'm sure the collateral damage wouldn't be at all significant in the grand scheme of things.

      Or is this one of those things that is only okay when the US does it? I can't remember what we call those...

    •  You have no idea how lightly it's done. The (3+ / 0-)
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      process is entirely opaque.

      "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

      by JesseCW on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:49:50 PM PST

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    •  "these terrorists are entirely too dangerous" (1+ / 0-)
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      You do understand that millions of people in the world view U.S. politicians in that regard, don't you?

      I'm asking you to take a moment and consider this issue not as a scared American. Consider what the violent behavior of our country and its lawlessness looks like to others in the world. Consider, for example, Iraq. Consider the tens of thousands (conservatively estimated) dead Iraqi civilians, victims of an illegal war based on lies. Consider the torture of hundreds by U.S. soldiers and agents. In terms of scale, how does that violence and destruction and mayhem compare to that wrought by the Al Qaeda fanatics?

      The U.S. harbors the war criminals George Bush, Dick Cheney, John Yoo, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and many more. Do you advance a principle that other countries have the right to attack us with drones to try and "take out" those war criminals and murderers and torturers? Or, again, are you saying that it's okay for the United States to flaunt international law (and, when it comes to American citizens, the Bill of Rights) but not okay for others in the world?

      That is completely unworkable. That is planting a bomb in the world of international law, a bomb that will blow up in our own faces.

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