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  •  That comment was rooted (7+ / 0-)

    in the way that many people in our society look down upon farming, look down upon rural people, and look down upon manual work. It's seen as backward, in many ways, and as something that we've largely transcended through work.

    I agree that growing food is not the only important work to be done in our society. On the other hand, I don't think the percentage of the population engaged in it is sustainable. I believe that the level of complexity we can support in our civilization is significantly less than we have today, and that the loss of the fossil fuel cushion that has provided the base support of that complexity will lead to a dramatic scaling back over the next couple centuries.

    That aside, it's the dismissal of the importance of growing food--which is common enough in our society--that instigated that comment.

    Of The Hands - Thoughts on voluntary poverty, homesteading, farming, reconnecting to the land, doing good work, and muddling through the new no-growth economy.

    by aimlessmind on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:53:47 PM PST

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      The last word of the first paragraph should be "technological progress," not "work." Brain fart.

      Of The Hands - Thoughts on voluntary poverty, homesteading, farming, reconnecting to the land, doing good work, and muddling through the new no-growth economy.

      by aimlessmind on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:54:55 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for your analysis. (0+ / 0-)

      And also thanks for your disdain for my "contribution" to society. What the heck was I thinking? Altho granting that food production is, as I said, "fundamentally important", I guess I failed to mention that FOOD PRODUCTION IS ALL THAT IS NECESSARY FOR CIVILIZATION.

      What a deviant I must be. You're totally right, I contribute nothing, and thanks for reminding me.

      Gawds, you're fabulous! Did I fail to mention how deeply wonderful you, personally are? Fabulous!!

      Oh yeah, and bite me.

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      by ItsaMathJoke on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:07:03 PM PST

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      •  Honestly (5+ / 0-)

        Where did I exhibit disdain for your contribution to society? All I wrote was that most people no longer farm, even though a number of people still romanticize those lives. And another number of people think that farming is too antiquated to be an important part of a "developed" economy. I disagree.

        I have no idea what your work is and I have no interest in denigrating it. I have no idea why you think I think you're a deviant. I know nothing about you.

        Sorry I pissed you off so badly.

        Of The Hands - Thoughts on voluntary poverty, homesteading, farming, reconnecting to the land, doing good work, and muddling through the new no-growth economy.

        by aimlessmind on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 10:15:17 PM PST

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      •  Yeh (6+ / 0-)

        you got your back up unnecessarily. That being said, a lot of technological efforts are indeed, make work. Having been the daughter of aircraft engineer and married to another one, I know how many years of hundreds of people pushing paper can go into one product. A lot of the evidence of this effort is shredded and put in the recycling bin.
        All work is worthy. What the diarist is saying is that physical work is demanding and some respect for the people who do it is in order.

        "We are monkeys with money and guns". Tom Waits

        by northsylvania on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 12:43:37 AM PST

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