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  •  A question (1+ / 0-)
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    isabelle hayes

    What specific action on the part of the State of Israel are the BDS folks seeking to achieve?  What would be the measureable conditions for relieving the sanctions?  

    I don's support BDS for punishment for past behaviour, but under certain conditions I could support sanctions if they were intended to elicit a specific behaviour or achieve a specific endstate, after which, the  sanctions would end.

    I suppose there are various, sometimes personal judgements for what would satisfy, from freezing settlement expansion and participating in the peace process, to withdrawal from the settlements, to full achievement of the one or two state solution.  Has the official BDS movement established conditions for ending the effort?

    •  Read Butler's comments (5+ / 0-)
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      JesseCW, Diane Gee, poco, cslewis, Aunt Martha

      for a good starting point.

      If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation. - Judith Butler, Brooklyn College BDS forum

      by David Harris Gershon on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:23:49 AM PST

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      •  I did (0+ / 0-)

        "end to racism".  That's a great goal, but  hard to measure, is my point.   Using the South Africa precedent,  universal suffrage and elections satisfied some folks, not all.  
        Universal suffrage for all refugees and Arab residents of EJlem is an interesting idea.  

        •  The problem with your original comment's idea (3+ / 0-)

          is that, in making changes from the status quo which is acceptable to nearly no one, you cannot require first in the process of change to know the real world end result, failing which you will not begin. The most a commitment to change can do is get on a train whose end destination will be determined by a multitude of steps taken but the first one is the one getting on the train in the first place. You cannot say you will not start unless the end is from the beginning proven to be X. That's why the future is the future, not yet known.

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