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  •  so criticize their behavior (4.00)
    not their gender.  I don't see what's so difficult about that concept.

    *Springsteen for President*

    by hrh on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 03:33:27 PM PDT

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    •  Its not a difficult concept... (none)
      and that is what such pejorative are directed at... the persons behavior... not their gender (in either example).

      I don't see what's so difficult about that concept.

      cheers,

      Mitch Gore

      Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

      by Lestatdelc on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 03:35:52 PM PDT

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      •  the pejoratives are based on gender (none)
        and/or their sexuality.  That's uncalled-for.

        *Springsteen for President*

        by hrh on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 04:35:29 PM PDT

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        •  I am well aware of what they are based on. (none)
          But to extrapolate that it is a disparagement of gender or sexuality as an axiom is flawed. You could say that almost all latin or romance languages are sexist since they take masculine and feminine forms, and are inherent in the language themselves.

          Because I or some woman would view and call some obnoxious person who is a female a cunt, does not mean that all women are cunts, or that there is something inherently derogatory about women because one woman is obnoxious and a gendered pejorative if used.

          cheers,

          Mitch Gore

          Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

          by Lestatdelc on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:09:58 PM PDT

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          •  I confess I don't get what you're not getting (none)
            about this.  "Cunt" refers to female genitalia; using "cunt" to refer to someone who is heartily disliked equates female genitalia to something heartily disliked--ergo, female genitalia are being referred to as something heartily disliked.  Feels like you're just arguing to argue.

            ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

            by bibble on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:23:58 PM PDT

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            •  thank you (none)
              for saying what I was about to say.

              *Springsteen for President*

              by hrh on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:39:09 PM PDT

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            •  Bitch isn't... however (none)
              and that would have been a better example to use (especially since that is the word that started this meta discussion).

              Again, I get it perfectly well. You don't seem to be getting what I am talking about.

              To equate bitch or cunt as an axiom to apply to females as a category, is as flawed and extrapolation as equating dick to be an axiom to apply to any and all penises, hence all males.

              It is spurious leap.

              cheers,

              Mitch Gore

              Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

              by Lestatdelc on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:40:29 PM PDT

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            •  BTW... You presume I don't get something here. (none)
              I get what you and many others are saying, so to confess that you don't get what I am not getting is a flawed assumption from the outset.

              cheers,

              Mitch Gore

              Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

              by Lestatdelc on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:43:59 PM PDT

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              •  Well, your logic is not really making sense, (none)
                it's sort of tangential at times, but whatever.

                ...the White House will be adorned by a downright moron...H.L. Mencken

                by bibble on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:48:55 PM PDT

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