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  •  Well, sort of... (none)
    Well, the kid's still in time out. The words have the sole effect of adding an extra dimension to the punishment, not changing the punishment itself. But I'm pretty much taken this argument as far as it's going to go without actual cutpasting of my argument over and over again.
    •  how about this... (none)
      Most of the bible is folk lore. many of the characters are most likely made up--one way you can know (other than the obvious ways) is because many of the stories are told more than once with different endings. There was no action in many cases--yet it is a powerful tool that long long outlived what ever true actions might have been taking place at the time.

      This bible thing has a mighty powerful affect on our lives, billions of lives for that matter. People are dying in Iraq right now partially due to the bible.

      Words matter and often outlive the actions.  That's what the bush team is counting on.
       

      "I will never accept an analysis that says a leader who stands for equality and fairness and who has the courage of his convictions is doing the wrong thing."

      by CrazyDem on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:26:02 PM PDT

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      •  Action taken because of the Bible, you mean? (none)
        Sigh, I know I'm splitting hairs here, but the words in the Bible are completely without force. It's the actions of the believers that give them strength.

        No one is dying because of the Bible, for instance. They're dying because Bush lied to the Congress signed a piece of paper that sent them there. That Bush may have been influenced by the Bible in going to war -- though that's a specious claim -- doesn't change the fact that it was only the action of signing the orders that got the troops killed. Words are vaporous and without meaning, actions are concrete and they're what actually matters.

        To bring this, somewhat, back into the main realm of discussion about PC: it's only a societal construct that gives any of the offending words any meaning. Only past actions associated with them. Everyone could get together tomorrow and decide that "poodle" is the new "fag" and there'd be no appreciable difference in our society. Homophobia in action would remain the same. The word "fag" is only important and offensive because of past homophobic actions.

        •  you are splitting hairs... (none)
          Bush lied--his propaganda was based on falsehoods. They were just words that lead us to war. The words were not based on true actions. Iraq was not stockpiling weapons as he "claimed" with his words. In this case--words out performed true actions that were based in reality--and subsequently we went to war--based on words that were not based in reality. words are powerful. often times more powerful than the actions themselves--and sometimes not.

          "I will never accept an analysis that says a leader who stands for equality and fairness and who has the courage of his convictions is doing the wrong thing."

          by CrazyDem on Wed Jun 01, 2005 at 05:48:53 PM PDT

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