Skip to main content

View Diary: Games aren't violent, but drones are (175 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  So there is 0.0 correlation between media violence (0+ / 0-)

    and real world violence?

    OK.

      •  The diarist said (0+ / 0-)
        Which isn't to say that America hasn't fallen into a culture of violence. Of course it has. But that culture has nothing to do with fantasy on the small screen or on the big screen.
        That's a pretty clear statement implying a 0.0 correlation.

        I stand by my comment.

        •  Let's just say insignificant (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          FogCityJohn

          I'd say that measuring the effects of fantasy violence on a culture so engaged in actual violence, is like worrying about having too much salt on an arsenic sandwich.

          •  perhaps statistically so, in the whole population (0+ / 0-)

            but for those mentally at risk it could be a huge factor.

          •  I believe a more accurate analogy (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            DSPS owl

            would be to say, "The amount of arsenic in this sandwich contributed by violent games isn't enough to kill you by itself, therefore the fact that they added that amount to the sandwich is harmless."

            Of course, we're talking about human minds here, not sandwiches. In that case maybe we need to talk about alchemy: two different substances creating a third. Easy access to gun might not equal violent act. Violent video game might not equal violent act. Easy access to gun + violent video game + mind already out of balance = ...

            "Every now & then your brain gifts you with the thought, 'oh, that's right, I don't actually give a **** about this.' Treasure it" -- jbou

            by kenlac on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 11:55:50 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Um... no. (0+ / 0-)

              "I believe a more accurate analogy would be to say, "The amount of arsenic in this sandwich contributed by violent games isn't enough to kill you by itself, therefore the fact that they added that amount to the sandwich is harmless.""

              Dude, that doesn't even make sense.

              But thanks for playing (game show host voice) : REALLLY. BAD. ANALOGIES!!! (que wheel of fortune music)

              The analogy that you were trying to butcher made by the previous commentor wasn't too bad, too bad you took a hatchet to it while not getting the point at all. But then again, typical RKBA logic, I guess.

              "Of course, we're talking about human minds here, not sandwiches. In that case maybe we need to talk about alchemy: two different substances creating a third. Easy access to gun might not equal violent act. Violent video game might not equal violent act. Easy access to gun + violent video game + mind already out of balance = ..."

              Again, more pulling artifacts from yonder orifice hinder.

              To even make an equation (which in itself is a very bad analogy) with violent video games = something else leading to anything untoward, you'd have to have facts on yourside to even make a statement like that which you clearly dont, you can have the opnion that they do, but I could have opnion Santas truly does exist, and I'd be no more accurtate with my opnion than yours, so I'd really wish people would just stick to facts, and especially STOP implying your opions whether video games will open the 7th seal of hell and bring for the apocalypse or not is a fact.

              Not to metion you can make and equation  with " + mind already out of balance" and have anything it its place at all and it could equate to possibly a nact of violence being committed, and as gonnabechef posted above, the Manson murders were committed do to music + mind already out of balance  = murders, so what do we do about that, censor musis, ban Beatles albums, only sell Beatles albums to those who get a mnetal health check first? The 995 can live for the 1%, its already bad enough we are doing so economically, but to suggest that society should only conduct itself as though the person sitting next to you is a mental ticking time bomb going off is no way to live , and its kinda the philosophy of the Bush era, the terrrists hate us for our freedoms, so we limit our freedoms,  and problem solved!!!

              Also, I'm guessing you're RKBA, becuase all you seem to bring us is limiting easy access tyo a gun when there is so much more we could do, and I feel we should do, as I mentioned above, and you seem to be dweling on that far to often.

    •  Sigh... (0+ / 0-)

      This is another loaded question that is kinda a setup for a strawman arguement.

      This question is invalid by simply trying to frame the sunject in the best possible light for your side of the arguement.

      Many bullets points to be made here.

      Firstly, and most strongly, correlation IS NOT causation, and even if you were to repond that you know that, well, then the discussion can not go any further than that.

      Secondly, even under correlation, no there is no correlation between fictional violence and real violence (with the obvious caveat of few exceptions to the rule, none of which there is to video games specifically).

      Even the best studies, which often still use shotty pseudo-science, and are often NOT peer-reviewed and retested, AT WORST show a correlation between agression when playing games and that's not determantn on whether the game is violent or not, but because of the competitive nature of the game, especially multiplayer, that these studies to be found in sports and other activites of a competive nature.

      So, so glad that you stand behind the statement, Shuksan, becuase it is more or less right.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site