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  •  That is an old game now. Anti "critical thinking" (8+ / 0-)

    was rampant in the late 1970s and 1980s with school boards being faced with near mobs of preachers and their flock demanding a stop. Long ago, when I lived down south a while, I heard fundamentalist preacher in a series of preachers and their flock make quite a speech out of the platform quote from your link:

    have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority
    Yer damn right! Can't have those innocent kids coming home from school questioning the stuff they get in Sunday school can we? Asking embarrassing questions of their parents? Gotta get back, and a near quote here, to those three Rs: "read'n, ritin 'n rithmatik" that are neglected.

    I had fliers stuck on my windshield in parking lots with demands to focus on those three "Rs" spelled about as I quote above and to stop commie "critical thinking" undermining our Christian nation. Sometimes, if I'd been gone long, my car also accumulated the bright pink "fluoridation is a commie plot" handbill too. Some were agin chlorination too. That was in a state ranked somewhere in the bottom five in almost every good criterion and high in the bad—also with pretensions of attracting "high tech" companies with low tax, low wages and the rest of that suite. Almost forty years later their rankings are pretty much the same.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 02:13:24 PM PST

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    •  Sheesh, try teaching moral 'reasoning' or values (3+ / 0-)
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      clarification, analysis and philosophy of ethics without getting fire and brimstone rained your way. Referencing anthropology, mythology, comparative literature, cross species physiology and differentiation by locality and time periods, or bringing up cross-cultural studies can all bring out the crazies in force.  

      Suggesting human physiology, has changed from even a mere 10,000 years ago, and is still adapting (in some positive ways), and will keep changing over time is tantamount to summoning the Devil, since the fundies all presume we're spoiled by Original Sin and humanity can only get worse, not better, or else Jesus won't need to Rapture them and Return. This means talking about blood types and when they appeared in history is anathema.  Keep in mind the AB+ blood type apparently didn't even exist until perhaps 900 C.E. (er A.D. for Bible Belters)...yep, think of that, a new human blood type appearing after the times of Jesus and his redeeming blood, after the Apostles, after the rise of the Papacy, but before the bloody Crusades.

      Try talking about cellular evolution and the evolutionary jump made when mitochondria were taken inside a larger cell, adaptively, and they became symbiotically linked for energy production, and that the DNA of mitochondria are traceable only on the maternal side...which means DNA replication is different for....yeah, see, it all just gets so baffling once led outside those pages of Genesis.

      When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

      by antirove on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 04:11:24 PM PST

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      •  It is a pattern in the fundamental religious world (0+ / 0-)

        of all religions where counter-factual myths must dominate in order for the continued existence of the religion or sect. The segments outside the fundamentalist groups try various coping methods with some success and manage to be less obviously ridiculous. What we, as secular citizens and the less fundamentalist religious people, are facing is an aggressive push back by segments insisting they not be confronted by facts even in the "public square" of normal life.

        In this country we are seeing a great deal of that from fundamentalist Christians who see public education teaching anything but the "three Rs" as a threat because it really is difficult for a sane mind to juggle ancient beliefs with modern science. Though evolution is the most frequent target the entire scientific body of evidence is the ultimate target. Geology without plate tectonics is just quaint. Astronomy without that aspect of looking back in time over light years is just plotting positions, categorizing and naming of the past. Physics, beyond simple mechanics and such depends on things these groups find threatening.

        As with the TP/GOP, this element of society is deeply set against the reason and knowledge clawed by dedicated researchers over the past few hundred years. They would apparently all like to see a reversion to 1860 when "races knew their place" and the world was nice and static without seafloors spreading and continents moving.

        These moves are part and parcel with not just opting out of the entire modern world but of trying to impose their primitive views upon it and us all. It goes to this relatively new and aggressive claim of religious liberty trumping the rights of all other citizens as with state licensed pharmacists refusing to fill legal birth control prescriptions and that whole argument in health care now.

        I've no particular objections to these groups going off into isolated communities—as long as they obey the laws of the land. I've enjoyed retreats to the past in monasteries, Catholic and Zen, or little vacations into the 19th century in Amish country. I have no wish to force them to conform with anything but the basics of law and can be tolerant of their retreat from the world. When any such group wants to impose those views outside I, and I think we should all, push back very hard. For example, pharmacy is a state regulated profession for public safety. The license is dependent upon a pharmacist performing the functions without intrusion of personal belief and refusal to do so should end that career path with license revocation.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:45:42 AM PST

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