Skip to main content

View Diary: WA Redistricting: What could have been (50 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  It was a very sad day when this map passed (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    atdnext

    And we have enough BS on our table, considering Tim Eyman, our extremely regressive tax structure, a crappy state legislature, etc.  We are a very sad state right now. :'(

    •  Excuse me (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BeloitDem, atdnext

      I meant our current map.  The map you drew is just fine.  :) ;)   Sorry

      •  I knew what you meant (0+ / 0-)

        I did, after all, devote over a whole paragraph to how bullshit the actual map was.

        •  I don't think it's that bad. (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          atdnext, Englishlefty

          It gave the 10th district to the Democrats and created a 1st district that tilts Dem.  It's D+4 (according to wikipedia's new map numbers) and was won by almost 8% by Delbene.

          "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

          by KingofSpades on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:25:58 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Agreed. It isn't horrible. (3+ / 0-)

            It's perhaps just more generous to Republicans than it could have been (if the commission wasn't as obsessed with incumbent protection).

          •  They didn't "create a 1st district that tilts Dem" (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            jncca, James Allen

            They turned a prexisting solid Dem first and turned it into a swing district, while moving the 8th from lean D to lean R, despite most of the population growth being in Democratic areas, all to give Adam Smith and Rick Larsen much safer districts than they needed. We could have gotten a much better map from a court which our incumbents (and Denny Heck for that matter) would have been fine in, but the Dem negotiators didn't pick that fight because they care more about Democratic incumbents getting mildly spooked than Democratic control of congress.

            •  It is not swing (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Englishlefty

              D+4 isn't all that swingy.  And Obama won the new CD-8 in 2012.  And if the growth is indeed in the Dem areas, it will slide away from him all over again.  As will WA-01, since its King County portion is quite large.  Also, court maps will not produce a radically better map.  the only change between what they came up with here and what a court would do is make a somewhat bluer CD-8.  Other than that, not much change.

              "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

              by KingofSpades on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:23:58 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  At least on 2008 numbers (0+ / 0-)

                WA-1 was D+1 or 2. And the difference between the WA-8 the commission drew and what a court would have drawn is the difference between R+ 1 or 2 and D+6ish, and with Dave Reichert as the incumbent, that's the difference between likely R and likely D.

          •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

            The current map gives the Democrats 60% of the seats in a state that isn't even overall 60% Democrat. I think it is a pretty good deal for the Democrats.

            Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

            by KyleinWA on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:07:22 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  That a bogus arguement and you know it (6+ / 0-)

              If you want to pass a national proportional representation scheme, I'm all with you, but until then, it's perfectly natural for states that lean heavily towards one party to get more than their exact proportion in seats. I mean, I don't go around complaining about the fact that Republicans hold 100% of the seats in Oklahoma despite them only having like 2/3ds of the voters.

              •  BUT (0+ / 0-)

                OK is pretty evenly Republican thoughout the state. WA is not evenly Democratic all over the place. You can not compare the two at all.

                So given that the state, one that has pretty striking differences in politics in different regions, and is drawn by a bi-partisan committee, 60% of the seats is nothing is be upset about.

                Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

                by KyleinWA on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 09:43:14 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  You see, you just acknowledged that (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  James Allen

                  Proportion of population doesn't necessarily equate to the proportion of of districts the party will get under a good CoI map. The fact is that over three quarters of Washington's population is west of the Cascades, a region that, with the exception of Lewis County and some conservative suburbs in Clark County, is largely moderate to liberal. The fact is that unless you really think that a court would have crossed the Cascades for district 8, any court map would have produced 7 D+ districts and a 3rd that was closer to R+2 or 3 than the +5 or so I drew (although admittedly, some of the D+ districts would have been less safe than what I drew).

                  •  Yes, under a court map (0+ / 0-)

                    I am pretty certain WA-8 would hve spilled over the Cascades. Given that that region is one of the few areas that connect western WA and eastern WA (and is probably the most commonly used), and that cities like Wenatchee have far more connections economically and culturally with eastern King County than places like Yakima have with Clark or Cowlitz Counties, I would fully expect a court to draw a map that has WA-8 being the western WA seat that spills over into the east.

                    Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

                    by KyleinWA on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:15:20 AM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Why don't you draw your own map for us then (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      BeloitDem

                      showing what you think a court or California-style commission might draw? I'm genuinely interested as mine is the only one I've ever seen and I was very unsatisfied with how the 3rd district turned out.

                    •  Are you really trying to tell me (0+ / 0-)

                      That random towns in the middle of nowhere like Wenatchee have a lot in common with Seattle suburbs? You can't even have a neat Cowlitz-Clark CoI district, you're already including places like Lewis and Pacific County. It makes a lot more sense to follow the Coumbia river.

                      •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                        Clark/Cowlitz/Lewis/Pacific counties are very much tied together. Places like the area around Yakima are not like us culturally or economically other then they have shipping down the Columbia. Even with that our ties are still pretty seperated.

                        But places like Wenatchee send their goods into Seattle to be shipped via I-90. They get Seattle TV stations. They are far more connected to eastern King County then eastern WA is to southwest Washington.

                        Age 25, Republican, WA-03 (represented by wonderful Congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler), getting married in June :)

                        by KyleinWA on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:35:49 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  that's not what matters necessarily (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          BeloitDem

                          these districts are generally too large to compose a single community, unless you're talking about a city as large as Seattle.  There will always be disputes about how to combine smaller communities together, and they're not really fruitful.  It is more important to not divide communities than to try to create commonality between communities where little truly exists, like trying to come up with a link between Wenatchee and Seattle beyond just the road that links them.

                          ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

                          by James Allen on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 01:19:21 PM PST

                          [ Parent ]

      •  But what does the map have to do with it? (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        atdnext

        I thought WA's map was okay and didn't get the whining over it.

        "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

        by KingofSpades on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:27:15 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Call me crazy but (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Englishlefty

          my expectations from the outset (based on what a few were saying) was that the map produced would give the 10th to the Democrats for a 6-4 map.

          "Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game." -Voltaire

          by KingofSpades on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 09:26:19 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  That may have been a reasonable prediction (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            KingofSpades, James Allen

            since it was somewhat predictable that the commission would place the highest priority on incumbent protection. But it'snot what a court would have drawn and not a deal we should have taken, and completely something we should be mad about. Any court drawn map would have kept the 8th on the West side of the Cascades, and probably would have kept it in King County. They certainly wouldn't have drawn something like what the commission drew, which splits Seattle and sacrifices a Democratic seat in Congress to keep Smith and Heck happy. The 8th should be ours, but it isn't because some insiders cared more about keeping incumbents happy than advancing the interests of the Democratic Party.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site