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    •  So you welcome our new Robo-Cop Overlords? (0+ / 0-)

      They're human qualities.  In order to eliminate them, we have to have inhuman cops.

      •  Nonsense. To eliminate these types of incidents (18+ / 0-)

        we need properly trained police officers who are willing and able to exercise good judgment in the line of duty. The cops who shot up the truck are bad cops who almost murdered two innocent people. Your attempt to minimize what they did is one of the most shameless defenses of police misconduct I have ever seen on this site.

      •  that's it, that's the best you have? (9+ / 0-)

        "So you welcome our new Robo-Cop Overlords?"

        jeez, now you're just embarrassing yourself. police are supposed to be highly trained, disciplined, licensed professionals. while this clearly doesn't make them magically immune to all the common human frailties, they are expected to exercise a greater level of self-control, in stressful circumstances, than the average person. otherwise, why bother having them there to begin with, we could just as well throw in an out of control mob with guns blazing, and get the same or worse result.

        soldiers are taught that their job is to complete the mission, not get revenge. getting revenge makes it personal. once that happens, your effectiveness, as a soldier or a cop diminishes, greatly. these cops made it personal. as a result, they lost control, of both themselves and the situation. only by the grace of his pastaness, was no one killed, in either incident.

        your diary was going to be "unpopular", not because it "told a truth that must be said", but because it is, at best, disengenuous, at worst, just flat out stupid. for example, you refer to these events as "accidents", they were not. an accident is defined as something unintentional, even if forseeable. both these events were intentional: the police opened fire, on both vehicles, having not the slightest idea who and what they were shooting at, and made zero effort to find out, before unloading on them. if the guy they were looking for was anywhere around, he was long gone, by the time those nimrods got finished.

        those were beyond "bad" cops, they are a danger to themselves, their fellow officers, and anyone within bullet range of them. they need to be removed from the force, before they finally do kill someone. as well, they need to be banned from ever purchasing, or having in their possession, any kind of firearm, ever again. they've proven they're not responsible enough to be allowed anywhere near a gun, ever.

        •  Well put. The more I think about it, the more it (0+ / 0-)

          seems to me that there was and is a breakdown in the entire command and control system in the LAPD. Either that or an even worse alternative which is that LAPD Chief Beck or his minions authorized 'death squads' to terminate Dorner with extreme prejudice.

          Either way it seems to me that Beck must go. The buck stops at the top and either his management was fatally flawed or he himself was a party to attempted murder. Either alternative is completely and totally unacceptable and Beck needs to resign immediately, along with his entire senior command structure.

      •  what a trite and silly thing to say (3+ / 0-)
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        So you welcome our new Robo-Cop Overlords?
    •  neither, apparently, is marksmanship n/t (11+ / 0-)

      Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

      by Keith930 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 06:10:40 PM PST

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      •  We should be thankful for that. (7+ / 0-)

        We'd have had three innocent, law-abiding dead people in morgues right now.

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Sat Feb 09, 2013 at 08:42:40 PM PST

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      •  Marksmanship was actually quite good. (0+ / 0-)

        The photo I saw had about 50 bullet impact marks or police tags over bullet holes. Roughly 50 shots were reported fired, so that's not bad marksmanship.

        Remember, the police fired without seeing positively identifying the driver. That means they were shooting from a considerable distance, and probably with pistols.

        The rounds which hit the tailgate did not penetrate. Again, probably because they were pistol rounds. The women avoided greater injury by crouching down in the cab. And that was proof enough against pistol fire.

        Sure, it's an easy crack to make, but the picture of the truck indicates the marksmanship was actually pretty good.

        •  Um... nope. (3+ / 0-)
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          Did you miss the part where bullets wound up all over the place, including hitting neighbor's houses, the street, and yards?

          •  I did not say every round hit the truck did I? (0+ / 0-)

            Pistols are not accurate weapons. Marksmanship is not magic. A good marksman will miss a moving target such as a truck if firing from a distance with some rounds. since there seem to be 50 or so impact points on that truck a large % of relatively inaccurate pistol rounds hit the target. The results are consistent with what is expected from good marksmanship in the real world.

            •  Huh. I do some shooting (0+ / 0-)

              occasionally in the bottomland here on my property. I have a shotgun, but we don't generally use that (aim it in the general direction, and at distance you're bound to hit the target with some of the load - no real precision required). Use friends' guns instead, hand and rifle, do well with both in various calibers. And I'm a little old lady, not Annie Oakley.

              Even if we're using pumpkins instead of paper targets, neither are anywhere close to the size of a pickup truck. Word's out now - police hit their human target with 1 out of 10 bullets fired, on average. That is seriously lousy marksmanship, I don't care who you are. A pickup truck is like the proverbial side of a barn. And notice the serious disconnect between the 'official' description of opening fire at an 'approaching vehicle' and the fact that they shot it in the back.

              This diarist's concern is that there appears to be (may be, looks like it might be) more bullet holes on the driver's side in the second photo than are apparent (and very obvious) in the first photo. It could be angle and/or lighting. We don't really know, do we?

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