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  •  most certainly (1+ / 0-)
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    Most certainly there should not be any discrimination in the Boy Scouts but I dont believe there should be open discussions about anything of a sexual nature with young children.

    I was in the scouts and there was nothing of a sexual nature ever discussed at meetings.  I didnt hear about sex with women just as I didnt hear about sex with guys.

    Basically we have to reassure the public who is fearful that there will not be profane conversations or actions with their children.  A persons sexuality and what they desire...gay or straight...should not be a topic around young children.  Their parents can decide if that is a topic for their child.

    •  So...what is it about gay scouts or leaders that (3+ / 0-)
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      makes you think they're suddenly going to be going into excessive detail about their sex lives, any more than straight scouts or leaders do?

      The last time the Republicans were this radical, they were working to elect former slaves to Congress. What a difference a century and a half makes!

      by jayjaybear on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:03:44 PM PST

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      •  clarify (0+ / 0-)

        Its important to make this clarification to comfort parents.  I am a parent and most certainly I would not want you discussing your sexuality with my young children gay or straight.  When people see these articles about gay scoutmasters they tend to think they will start talking to their children about matters of sex and sexuality.  The boy or girl scouts are not appropriate forums to hold such discussions.  Its not a sexual education class.

        •  Question not answered. (0+ / 0-)

          WHY is the assumption that gay leaders are going to talk about their sex lives with the scouts? Why is that assumption made?

          Should I perhaps worry that black scout leaders are going to discuss their secret lust for white women? Should I worry that Catholic scout leaders will discuss their tacit approval of the pedophile priest cover-up? Should I worry that Jewish scout leaders will talk about how they used the blood of their last troop to make matzoh for Passover?

          And before you blow your top with outrage at that, consider that you're suggesting EXACTLY THE SAME KIND OF THING about scout leaders who happen to be gay!

          And, again, since this is about the third time I've had to counter THIS particular myth, if you think that not having "out" gay scouts in your kids' troop is keeping the boys from playing around, you have no understanding of teenage male sexuality at all.

          The last time the Republicans were this radical, they were working to elect former slaves to Congress. What a difference a century and a half makes!

          by jayjaybear on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 09:10:22 AM PST

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    •  Oh, and incidentally, where did you attend Scouts? (1+ / 0-)
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      Pleasantville? Mayberry?

      Put a bunch of teenage boys together, leave them alone for even 15 minutes, and they're going to talk about sex. It's what teenage boys DO when they're alone with other teenage boys. I was in Scouts for 5 or 6 years in my teens and my god...I learned more about straight sex in those 5 years (most of it absolutely wrong) than I ever had before!

      The last time the Republicans were this radical, they were working to elect former slaves to Congress. What a difference a century and a half makes!

      by jayjaybear on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:06:46 PM PST

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    •  WHY, WHY, WHY???? (1+ / 0-)
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      WHY should LGBT be required to "reassure" people that they won't molest kids or discuss sex in front of them?

      WHY should it be assumed that LGBT are any different than straight people?

      So, if it's an issue.  It's an issue for everyone.   Or, no one.  But, not just an issue for LGBT.

      The problem is not with LGBT.  It is in the perverted minds of people who hate LGBT.   If they have "issues", they need to go to counselling.  It should not be the responsibility of LGBT to "reassure" them.  

      Why is it the responsibility of LGBT people to go around reassuring people that they won't molest kids or discuss sex in front of them?    DUH!!!!    They also won't murder someone, have sex with squirrels or pee on the front porch.   Just like anyone else.   It sort of goes without saying.  Not "sort of".   It DOES go without saying.

      Why don't YOU reassure us that you won't molest gay kids and discuss sex with six year old gay children?    Ahhhh, but they WILL.   They WILL try to preach to little kids that being gay is wrong, and isn't THAT discussing sex with little children?    

      If you wouldn't do it, why would you assume that anyone else would do it?  And, THAT'S the issue.  R-E-S-P-E-C-T.   People are assuming (ASS-U-ME) that gay people do bad things to little children, just because they are gay, and that even little gay children are not safe to be around.

      And, by the way, when did you stop beating your wife?  

      By demanding that LGBT walk around constantly saying, "I won't molest your kids.  I won't molest your kids.   I won't molest your kids.  I won't talk The Nasty with your kids. ", you are asking them to agree with you that it's a real problem, and a problem that they are responsible for, and a problem that they must explain away.  

      Try this.  Why don't you write a sign in magic marker that says, "I am not a child molester" and wear that around town for a week.     Or, maybe, "I am not a Theif".   Or, "I am not a Murderer."    See how people react to you.   See how you feel about what you are doing.  See if you feel that it's fair that you should have to wear that sign, and "reassure" people.

      This is beside the point, that I DON'T agree that you should not discuss sex with six year olds.  I feel that it is important to share age apropriate information.   My six year old found a children's book by Dr. Ruth in Half Price Books, and asked to have it, and I bought it for her.   But, that's another topic.   And, I do agree that it's something better addressed at home, because not all parents agree on how it should be done.    Some parents seem to think that if you don't mention it, they'll never figure it out.    Out of sight, out of mind.   What really happens is that little girls figure it out, about the time that their uncle climbs on top of them.  Their STRAIGHT uncle.

      However, everyone seems to think it's really OK to discuss sex with kids, because they tell kids all the time not to be gay, and that's discussing sex, now isn't it?

      BTW, I'm straight.   But, I'm also atheist, and we gays and atheists seem to find ourselves in the same boat a lot, being accused of having no moral foundation, and being told that we have to reassure people that we aren't axe murderers and the like.

      TO HELL WITH THAT !!!!

      •  +1,000,000,000,000,000 (0+ / 0-)

        I'm gay AND atheist, and to the Buy-bull ThumpersTM that swings the needle off the dial to Amoral Spawn of SATAN setting.

        But dammit, you speak the gospel truth. The only people I know who will start off conversations with breathless descriptions of lewd, athletic, sweaty, Penthouse Forum-style sex acts are right-wing religious fundamentalists and Republicans.

        Why do people think LGBTQ folk just walk around sharing intimate details of their sexual lives apropos of nothing, all the live-long day?! Life isn't a Will and Grace episode, kids. Some stuff I keep from my BFFs.

        LGBTQ people are no threat to those delicate-flower Boy Scouts. The threat comes from sanctimonious pedophile straight men looking to assert power over innocent children because they feel they've lost it otherwise. Men who have run out of people to run roughshod over. Cowards.

        Bear in mind: LGBTQ folk are some of the bravest you'll ever meet. We've faced rejection from friends and family and neighbors, we've risked losing our jobs in many states, we've had to deal with hostility from total strangers on the street, sometimes violent attacks. And we forge on. Proud and defiant and, yes, GAY. What was it the great drag queen Latrice (Motherfucking) Royale says?

        It's OK to make mistakes. It's OK to fall down. Get up. Look SICKENING. And make them eat it!!

        -8.75,-8.00. 1,138 rights and responsibilities of civil marriage are denied married same-sex couples, and I demand that we get them. RIGHT. NOW.

        by CajunBoyLgb on Fri Feb 15, 2013 at 08:13:35 AM PST

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    •  I've had to have that conversation. (0+ / 0-)

      The hell of it is, we never did talk about sex until this year.

      My local troop did some popcorn "show & sells", where we camp out in front of the supermarket and talk to people coming and going.

      So many folks refused us this year, that I pulled the boys aside and told them what was happening, and why...and to refer any adult that said why not to one of the adult leaders standing by so we could talk them through it.

      This in Newton, MA.   Boston Minuteman Council has had a non-discrimination policy since 2003....but of course a percentage of the popcorn goes to National and funds hate.

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