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  •  He was 14 when he was forced in the Hitler (12+ / 0-)

    Youth, it was mandotary in Nazi Germany. If you want to criticize the guy (there are many reasons to criticize) judge him for decision he took as an adult and on his own will.

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:03:49 AM PST

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    •  I completely agree (1+ / 0-)
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      Obama-Biden in 2012: four more years!

      by Frederik on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:11:30 AM PST

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    •  He Was Tested and Failed (5+ / 0-)
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      Many other 14 year olds were forced, but fled to the hills. Many died, many were caught and forced much harder than those who went along.

      If Ratzinger were just an 80 year old retired bus driver, I wouldn't hold his youthful decision against him. But he's the pope, who is supposedly held to the highest moral standards possible. His response to the issue is to say it wasn't his fault - no guilt at all. I would expect a legitimate pope to use his experience to educate the world about redemption from evil, a living example of how "god's plan" uses evil to bring a greater good, or some other Catholic principle that he uses to rule over hundreds of millions moral - and often temporal - lives. Instead, it's "everybody was doing it".

      He was tested by life and failed. As so many of us are, especially as youths - Catholics would say practically all of us are. But he dismisses his own sins as understandable. Surely another candidate would have superior credentials. Or maybe the Catholic Church really is so morally bankrupt that an ex-Nazi is the best they've got. The Church's response to its widespread baby raping organization, its coverup presided over by this guy, shows it's not loaded with people living in emulation of Jesus. As does the many other hypocrisies, including keeping all its gold and property to appeal to people's desire for association with wealth, rather than liquidating it to feed and clothe the poor, who are more numerous every day.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:36:22 AM PST

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      •  Wait Libs spent all last week whining about Al (1+ / 0-)
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        Awaki's 17 yrs old son killed in Drones strikes advancing that he was a minor and couldnt be forces to pay for his fathet's sin, yet you are bashing a 14 years old who was forced to serve in The Hitler Young like the majority of young germans back then.

        Criticize him for his decisions as adult and taken on his own will.

        "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

        by LaurenMonica on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:46:35 AM PST

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        •  His Decision to Become Pope (0+ / 0-)

          You've got it backwards. As I said, I don't hold his decision to join the Nazis against the 14 year old. I hold against the 70 year old his decision to become pope, and to dismiss criticism of his joining the Nazis as "I was forced; everybody was doing it".

          Do you see the difference? Popes are expected by most people to meet a higher moral standard than most people. How about the other boys in his town who ran for the hills rather than join the Nazis? They were exceptional - the kind of exceptional we expect from someone who would be pope. He didn't even use his youthful experience accepting evil rather than suffer to explain how Jesus forgives even those who have committed the worst sin, once they confess and repent.

          I already said all that. You are refusing to listen. Your lack of understanding is not due to any flaw in my presentation of the facts, logic and compassion here. For whatever reason, you don't want to hold this pope to a higher standard than he has met, though you have other axes to grind against him.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:05:04 PM PST

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      •  I dont think he was considering (1+ / 0-)
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        the Position when he was that age.

        Disabled Viet Vet ret. My snark is worse than my bite

        by eddieb061345 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 06:52:41 AM PST

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    •  When he can find it in his heart (7+ / 0-)

      to forgive 14 year olds who are raped and get pregnant, I'll give his excuses a second thought.

      the purpose of the second amendment is to promote a well-regulated militia, in the same sense that the purpose of the first amendment is to promote a well-informed electorate.

      by happymisanthropy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:13:14 AM PST

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