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  •  Catholics have priests (0+ / 0-)

    Sorry, but if we are talking about the Catholic Church, we do not call them pastors.

    Yes, the Church has many ills. I am not defending any of them.  But we need to make sure we are all talking about the same thing, yes?

    •  Well I'll defend them (1+ / 0-)
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      Because there's no group on the planet that's outlasted the Church, they've done lots of good, their parishioners have good hearts as a rule (on BOTH sides of the political fence), and their priests work their asses off for a spirit.

      Just like public schools in this fucked up country, or in the workplaces in this fucked up world, there are TONS of bad apples that hurt innocents. Shit. happens. And this nanny-ass society would have us believe that shit never happened before little Jim Bob got raped by the family priest. That's bullshit.

      What people might not like, that they can't be Occupied, or that they're ancient, doesn't matter one damned whit to me. It's the ONLY institution that teaches us to put others before ourselves, to respect everybody as if they're God, and yes, that everybody has a place and a purpose.

      Nuns do nun shit; they don't (or shouldn't) want to do priest stuff. If they do, they're disordered and should GTFO. It's not, and never has been, any person's Church; it's God's place.

      They were THE FIRST of ALL YOUR FOREFATHERS to decry slavery (HUNDREDS of years before America was even born). They were THE FIRST to give women equal work in the Church. They were THE FIRST, by eons, to support SCIENCE and WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

      And this guy, Pope Benedict, has done more to make peace in the world than AN.Y.BO.DY that speaks a Western language.

      No, they don't like condoms, because they don't think OUR PRIMARY GOAL IN LIFE should be sex, but rather helping people. People in TRUE NEED, not people who feel bad that they can't same-sex marry. They don't GAS about who you're with! They want you to be USEFUL to society, and oh, guess what: marriage is a curse! Romantic love is fine/great, but sticking with that person as long as you live is "Marriage", NOT feeling romantic or sexay for a few days, then poof it's over. I'm not "the Church", but I'd bet if people gave up DIVORCE, the Church would let you be with a damned dog if that's what you wanted. (Well, not bestiality, because that's truly gross and the animal  can't give consent).

      Why? Because the curse is that you're stuck with that sonofabitch for life; there can be romantic days, good days, bad days, HELL DAYS... those are the vows. Only out is if the bitch or bastard is crazy. THAT'S "Church Marriage". Has nothing at all to do with taxes and benefits — that's politics. And again, the Church has outlasted every. single. political. institution. ever. conceived.

      The Church is good; it's the only thing that's good. Because it tells you to get your head out of your own ass and stop bellyaching, and be happy how you are, and HELP PEOPLE. It tells you YOU ARE GOD and, catechized or not, you're responsible for the shit you do. You're responsible for wars, for famine, for not helping others.

      I'll defend the crap out of the Church. I'm not "good", but the Church is good. Stable. People need to stop worrying about, "OH does this shit offend me" and STFU and get out and do some good for others. THAT'S a Catholic. (And you can BE a Catholic without BEING a Catholic, as per Romans 2: if you DO that stuff God would have you do, you're going to move on to the next life and continue to do stuff. Whether you like it or not. And if you are in the Church but are a nuisance to society, you're time will be up.)

      So what if a few Archbishops HOPED, PRAYED, and THOUGHT that moving one man from one child might heal both the man and the child. <--- those guys were wrong! But fuck at least they TRIED. They didn't play hot potato like people claim; they thought, TRULY BELIEVED, they were helping all parties by moving pedos.

      Again, this was before pedophilia was a known disorder. My Mom went to Catholic school and loved it; was never touched. I went to public school and was offered As for favors. Pedos are everywhere. IN FACT, as far as we know, there may be a little pedo in all of us. Maybe one day science will figure that shit out, and that no, we're not all THAT different from each other, but some hold back certain temptations better than others. We ALL have something inherently wrong with us; the Church just calls it a cross to carry. And the Church doesn't make excuses for failure. No excuses. Forgiveness, prayer, etc things that I'M SURE will be found to be revolutionary in a few centuries, even if it's not evolutionary. We take care of our own. But "our own" is EVERY.BODY. If a priest rapes a kid, that's like WE raped the kid.

      And maybe if the rest of the world WAS their brother's keeper like that, accepted responsibility for each other, tried to help instead of hurt or punish, had a little humility, we'd be in a happier state.

      "Ridiculous, counter-productive, and stupid." —P.J. Crowley on the treatment of Bradley Manning

      by IndieinVa on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 11:56:24 AM PST

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      •  The Baby Rape is Your Fault (0+ / 0-)
        The Church is good; it's the only thing that's good.
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        So what if a few Archbishops HOPED, PRAYED, and THOUGHT that moving one man from one child might heal both the man and the child. <--- those guys were wrong! But fuck at least they TRIED. They didn't play hot potato like people claim; they thought, TRULY BELIEVED, they were helping all parties by moving pedos.
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        And the Church doesn't make excuses for failure. No excuses.

        You don't know what they thought. But we all know what they did: they moved baby rapers around to rape other babies. They protected the baby rapers, and got other babies raped. For decades, generations, evidently for centuries.

        The Church does some good; it does some bad. The Church says people like that go to hell. It's not simply good, and it's damn well not the only thing that's good.

        The Church has made nothing but excuses - where it's broken its silence at all.

        Your post is full of lies, smothered in a demented insistence on moral authority to which you have no legitimate claim.

        You are totally out of your mind. You are the reason the Church lies and denies when it rapes babies over and over: because suckers like you believe its lies. Without lunatics like you accepting the insanity they spew to cover the evil they do, people in the Church wouldn't get away with it. You are the necessary evil that enables their unrepented evil.

        You have no moral standing to preach to anyone, just like the Church you're defending. You all are what's wrong with our civiliation.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:12:35 PM PST

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    •  Excuse me. (0+ / 0-)

      My priest is also the pastor of my parish.  I have used that moniker all my Catholic life.

      Everyone! Arms akimbo!

      by tobendaro on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 03:03:49 PM PST

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    •  Catholics Have Pastors (0+ / 0-)
      In United States Catholic usage, the term pastor is used for what in other English-speaking countries is called a parish priest.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 05:13:20 AM PST

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