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  •  No one is seriously talking about banning guns. (2+ / 0-)
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    Or confiscating legal guns. No one who can control such things is talking that way.

    In terms of the diary you cite, that is unrelated to this issue. I don;t see how you can go from property seizures within 100 miles of a border to gun confiscation by the government.

    I am surprised at seemingly rational people buying into the fear-mongering that has zero basis in reality.

    •  Bob (3+ / 0-)
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      I left for awhile and thought about our talk. I want you to understand something, I want real effective gun safety legislation. I don't want it written in such a way that it makes people feel good but it does no good.

      I want real verifiable background checks.

      I want limits on gun purchases for a defined period to cut down on strawman buys. Those limits can be linked through the background check.

      I want violent felons and people who have been convicted of stalking or threatening others to be banned from legal purchase.

      I'm fine with smaller magazines, tho I do think that is more cosmetic than helpful, but hey! I don't know everything.

      You asked me specifically about confiscation issues, I didn't bring it up but I have come to understand why people may worry about that happening in the future.

      What you did was to lead the conversation into the weeds and that is a shame, IMO. There are a lot of things that we can agree to, but if scoring points and accusing people of "seeing ghosts" is all that is important to you then so be it.

      I would rather see people pull together to get some stuff done.

      "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

      by high uintas on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 03:22:52 PM PST

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      •  I'm just trying to understand it. (4+ / 0-)
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        high uintas, Bluesee, a2nite, JayBat

        What I discovered today is that among many in the gun crowd, there is a real -- if irrational -- fear of confiscation. Even among liberals and progressives.

        I think that fear is totally unfounded. But I think it points out the success of the propagandists at the NRA and GOA and among online and media sources that somehow, somewhere, there is the risk of the government taking guns away.

        The reason I even asked you about it in the first place was that I noted you recced a comment by maxomai (or maybe someone else) that expressed that sentiment.

        I don't think I dragged anything into the weeds.

        I was trying to understand the fear and the basis for that fear.

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          Bob Johnson, noway2, zett

          I misread your intentions, that can happen. I apologize for that. We have been baited in the past by people who claim to want to know something and really don't care for an honest answer.

          The way I look at the confiscation issue is as part of a larger view of the new powers of our government. I don't think that anyone in government is actively pushing grabbing guns, but that won't necessarily hold true in future administrations. We can't judge what will happen from the present, but can take clues.

          I live right around the mountain from this. It is inconceivable to me the level of access the gov. has into our lives. Personally I think that no registration only serves to give people what I am afraid is a false sense of security. But, I understand why people who do own guns don't want to wake up one day and find that if they don't turn them in they are criminals.

          What happened in CA was essentially what KVoi said, they told owners that one type of gun was legal, they were registered and then they were told that they were criminals if they didn't turn them in. It's cock-ups like that one that cause people to not trust.

          I've spent a lot of time turning R votes into Ds here in my really red state and one of the biggest hurdles was the Dems association with gun control. I used to be big on it myself. Try an experiment and read comments by people who are against RKBA as if you were a member. It will be eye opening in the condescension and insults. Trust me.

          If people can hate others because they just own a gun with that much venom then of course they don't trust them to leave them be.

          "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

          by high uintas on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:15:25 PM PST

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