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  •  So then what's your opinion of John Brown? (1+ / 0-)
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    Or any other of a long history in the US of people who killed?

    Pretending that the act of murder makes you somehow special and completely outside of society is absurd and not held up by a look at history.

    He's nothing more than a murderer who happens to have much more knowledge about what to expect the police to do and is targeting the police and their families, thus creating much more fear in them than they've ever encountered before.  But he's a murderer, period, and let's leave it at that.  Let's not romanticize the murderer.
    You clearly aren't paying attention if you think that he's nothing more than a murderer.  Is the president just a murderer because he's responsible for the death of the children of insurgents in Afghanistan and elsewhere?  No, obviously not.  You can crow about what he is or is not all you want, but ignoring the fact that there are people out there who support Dorner doesn't make it not there.
    •  So who was Dorner trying to protect and (4+ / 0-)

      save, the way John Brown was trying?  He was on the LAPD for quite awhile and didn't have a problem with their activities until he lost his job.  When he killed the officer's daughter and her fiancee, did he do it to free prisoners who were being held unfairly?  No, he did it as revenge, pure and simple.  His statement was that since he hadn't gotten to have a family, he was taking the officer's away also.

      Because there are idiots out there supporting Dorner does not make it right, reasonable, rational, or sensible.  If people are so foolish as to support the actions of a selfish, cold blooded murderer and then compare him to someone like John Brown, I'm certainly not going to give them any kudos for it.  Let's at least let the real heros - the ones who took risks themselves and who were fighting for someone but their own selfish little selves and who had a determination to actually bring around change, rather than just to hurt someone they thought had hurt them, hold onto the real title of hero.  It's truly disgusting that anyone would dare to compare this man to John Brown!

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:48:55 PM PST

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      •  This is simply not true. (10+ / 0-)
        He was on the LAPD for quite awhile and didn't have a problem with their activities until he lost his job.
        Isn't that precisely why he lost his job?

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 03:20:08 PM PST

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      •  Who? Seriously? (6+ / 0-)

        Are you not paying attention here?

        Do you have any fucking idea what the LAPD is like?  I'm guessing you have no clue what you're talking about.  He got fired for ratting out a fellow officer, and he's made perfectly clear that he knows he isn't going to come out of this alive.  Yet instead he's said he's going to fight what he, and many others, see as a horribly corrupt institution.  One that has resisted reform for decades.

        Are you speaking out this loudly about our slaughter of civilians overseas?

        •  So you honest to god think the LAPD being corrupt (0+ / 0-)

          makes murder of people who have nothing to do with the LAPD okay???  He ratted one officer out - maybe it was so bad he couldn't stomach it.  But he had to have turned a blind eye to a hell of a lot of it or he couldn't have lasted years in there if it's so corrupt - which I agree it is.  So yeah, I pretty much have a clue.

          He wouldn't have to worry about whether he'd come out alive if he hadn't killed  3 people and then had a hit list of another 50.  Right now, if he turned himself into the FBI, he'd come out alive.  Not happy, but alive.  It's pretty easy for someone to say they're not going to make it alive when they have no intention of making it alive.  He still has options.  I don't disagree that the LAPD is over reacting and chances are excellent that if they see him, it will be kill on sight.  But he's gotten some distance from there and I suspect has the ability to get even further.  Someone who has managed to evade arrest this long with this many officers searching for him, ready to kill, knows what he's doing and knows how to go about getting out alive.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 04:50:33 PM PST

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          •  I don't think there's any way he comes out alive (0+ / 0-)

            now.  He'll get the death penalty if the cops don't kill him, which they almost certainly will, even if he were to try and turn himself in, which I really, really doubt will happen.  I certainly think that he believes he has no chance of making it out of this alive, which means he won't.

            So you honest to god think the LAPD being corrupt makes murder of people who have nothing to do with the LAPD okay???
            No, I think that there are a hell of a lot of people who are regularly harassed and/or attacked by the LAPD and if I was one of those people I'd probably have an easier time looking past the ugly side of this whole thing.  Make no mistake, there are plenty of people who are at the very least rooting for him to kill more LAPD officers because of the way they've treated people over the years.

            And yes, he lasted for years, and then couldn't take it anymore and reported someone and got kicked out for his efforts.

            What this boils down to is that a lot of people are sick of living in a country with a two tiered justice system, where bankers and cops and politicians get away with everything and us poor folks get screwed over and harassed by the police for nothing.  If you expect people to not root for the enemy of their enemy then you don't really understand how people work.

            Someone just posted a link on my facebook wall of a police officer shooting an unarmed man in the back, the very first comment was "Where's Dorner when you need him?"

            •  Oh god, I'm afraid your facebook wall belongs (2+ / 0-)
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              on Redstate.  Honest to god, this type of thinking is just so warped, it's scary.   That facebook post is sick, pure and simple, and if we saw it posted on Redstate, we'd be horrified.

              So he tried to do the right thing and got kicked in the balls for it.  It happens.  He's not killing the cops - even if that could be justified, and It Can't.  He's killed people who had nothing to do with any of it.  And he didn't do it to get justice.  He did it because he was mad and feeling sorry for himself.   And because thought his own disappointment in life mattered more than the lives of other people.  He is not a hero.  He did this for himself and for no one else.

              "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

              by gustynpip on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:11:27 PM PST

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