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  •  Devil is in the details, as always (3+ / 0-)
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    Susan G in MN, TheLizardKing, WineRev

    I'll wait until I see a final deal before passing judgment as to whether benefits are truly being cut.

    You note:

    We've had promises from President Obama that the most vulnerable would be protected from the hits. But here's the thing: half of Social Security recipients would qualify as vulnerable, including the majority of older women. That shows just one problem with the idea of this as a budget savings—by the time all of the people who would be hurt most by it are protected, any savings would be drastically reduced.
    Two points.  First, it is theoretically possible, as you acknowledge, that a CPI change can be cushioned in a manner to protect the most vulnerable.  Second, even if such a change would not actually constitute much of a budget savings, it may still be the shiny object that enables us to get past these interminable debates over spending.

    Obama has a history of letting the GOP get a big headline over these battles, while actually not giving much up.  That might end up happening here.

    Finally, I'll add that the CPI change is apparently only being floated as part of a "big deal," which the GOP is probably incapable of delivering anyway.  

    •  Oh, I feel lots better now. He's just risking our (12+ / 0-)

      living standard in old age, not actually damaging it.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:08:15 PM PST

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    •  The notion of protecting the most vulnerable (2+ / 0-)

      means that you don't get help unless you are knocked all the way down to living in your car or a cardboard box.  Any savings to cover car repairs, medical emergency or heat for the winter makes you too affluent for help.  You have to have been underwater and basically homeless for awhile.
      Take SSI for the poor.  If you have 2 thousand in the bank, you do not qualify.  Why isn't that number increasing with inflation?  That is one month away from homelessness for most households.

    •  Respectfully . . . (0+ / 0-)
      We've had promises from President Obama that the most vulnerable would be protected from the hits. But here's the thing: half of Social Security recipients would qualify as vulnerable, including the majority of older women.
      What is your source, for this?  It is unlike anything that I've ever read.

      I will clarify the policy, if you don't mind expounding a bit, first.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean.  :-)

      Mollie

      "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible." --Frank L. Gaines

      "If a dog won’t come to you after having looked you in the face, you should go home and examine your conscience.” -- Woodrow Wilson

      by musiccitymollie on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:52:00 PM PST

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