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    "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

    by Catte Nappe on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:07:38 PM PST

    •  Thanks. What IS the difference (5+ / 0-)

      between musicals and operas?  In your opinion?

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:14:18 PM PST

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      •  My opinion probably not worth much (6+ / 0-)

        Especially since I have little experience with classic opera.  One difference seems to be in how much of the story is told in spoken word vs song. There's also some fuzzy distinction in how much of a "poppy hook" there is in the songs. (If you can hum it or dance to it, it probably isn't opera. ;)  

        If you want to further confound the discussion there is the term "operetta". Gilbert and Sullivan being among my all time favorites of that genre. Happy Fella is often described in that category. Where does Porgy and Bess fall?  And very recently I got to see a concert performance of a "lesser known Loesser" Pleasures and Palacespiece

        "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

        by Catte Nappe on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:41:46 PM PST

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        •  Oh, my opinion is unimportant, too: (3+ / 0-)

          I'm not much of an opera fan.  The singing turns me off, very quickly.

          I just wanted to create a conversation.  Thanks for stopping by!

          Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

          by Youffraita on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 05:46:45 PM PST

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        •  Words and Music (3+ / 0-)
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          The battle between Words and Music was at the core of the tension between Gilbert & Sullivan.  Each man felt that his contribution was forced to be subordinate to the other.  It drove Gilbert crazy when the audience couldn't hear his lyrics, and it frustrated Sullivan to have to devise music to fit Gilbert's plots.  Things got worse when Sullivan was knighted and his friends implored him to turn back to Serious Things.

          "All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic." -- Mervyn Alquist

          by quarkstomper on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 06:15:33 AM PST

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          •  hi, quarkstomper! (1+ / 0-)
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            You are much more highly educated in the ways of serious music than I am...I'm an "end user" as it were -- love to listen but not at all educated about the classical and jazz that I adore.

            Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

            by Youffraita on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 12:20:16 AM PST

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      •  Opera used to be the popular music (2+ / 0-)
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        A hundred or more years ago opera stars were as rock stars are today.  Audiences would walk out of the theatre singing the favorite arias and choruses.  Barrel-organ players cranked out the melodies on every street corner.  Opera was loved by people in every level of society.

        Early "operettas" were more like opera than today's musicals -- they required well-supported voices and good technique, but also attractive appearance.  Gradually the operettas became "musicals" and then "Broadway shows" with completely different vocal production and even more emphasis on appearance and dancing ability.

        There's quite a gulf between the two now, unfortunately -- they often require different skills, and it's too bad that more people don't enjoy them both.  It's like saying that because you like a good wine you can't enjoy a good beer.

        •  I'm so sorry that (2+ / 0-)
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          I found your comment far too late to tip you.

          B/c I think you nailed it:

          There's quite a gulf between the two now, unfortunately -- they often require different skills, and it's too bad that more people don't enjoy them both.  It's like saying that because you like a good wine you can't enjoy a good beer.

          Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

          by Youffraita on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 12:22:57 AM PST

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