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  •  I think the GOP messaging, (32+ / 0-)

    which they have been especially good at given their associations with corporate advertisers, hints at these generational points of pain. They don't come right out and say exactly what they want people to think. What I think they haven't factored in is how many boomers delayed starting families.

     I have one GenX and one Millennial. Three and a half years apart, they both fit their generations to a T. They see what has happened to us, their friends and the friends' parents. The GOP is turning off both generations on many levels.

    The best thing that could be done for the situation is recognize the younger generations need to get jobs they have trained for- especially those with college degrees. Getting the boomers on 65 retirement benefits at 62 to compensate the 401 K losses would create a large bunch of volunteers that could be used for easing some of the job stress in education, health care and other areas.

     62 is also the age a recent study found was the best to retire in order to have the healthiest retirement. Big savings in Medicare over the next 10 -15 years or more. The eligibility for it should be lowered for those on early retirement.

    "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

    by Ginny in CO on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 07:43:01 AM PST

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    •  The real problem isn't trying to decide (30+ / 0-)

      which generation has the most difficult time making ends meet, that's a vacuous argument...unless you're a member of the top 1%, then there is a very real chance that you're hurting, no matter what generation you belong to...maybe the real issue should be 'how can we stop bickering long enough to help each other?'  

      There is power in numbers, that is why the people who want to see us defeated are encouraging this argument...they're interested in keeping us divided and we're doing a damned good job of helping them succeed.

      •  The problem with pitting the Boomers (18+ / 0-)

        against the millenials, or any other generation, is that none of us have ever really had any power to overcome The Money Machine.

        It took 8 years of protests before the end of Vietnam.
        Back then, there was still a moral substrate to society- politicians could be shamed into doing the right thing.
        That moral rudder is now absent.

        Today, we boomers, at least the liberal hippie variety, are STILL involved, still trying to make a difference....and look at where we are.

        In 40 years, some other generation will be blaming the Millenials/GenX for the crap happening right now.

        Which is why we need to sidestep this obvious attempt to cause war between the only people working for any positive change.

        •  That is exactly right: (9+ / 0-)

          As a struggling mightily Gen Xer - - it is so tempting to blame the Boomers who seem so self-satisfied manner try to lecture on the merit of work, blah blah blah.

          But that is an intellectual failure on my part.  The reason that I SEE the baby boomers who appear to have gained so much from being the focus forever, is that the vast majority of Boomers, ones that both struggle or don't struggle but care deeply about the economic disparity are NEVER heard from b/c they simply are not in positions of power or influence.

          And you are correct to point out that this is simply part of the cycle.  In turn, it will be the rich of my Gen - the Xers, who will be the self-satisfied, smirking and preaching class who are held in such disdain by the younger generations.

          As one who all too often quietly blames my troubles on the Boomers as an intellectually lazy scapegoating it is beneficial to hear your message b/c it is so true.

          Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

          by 4CasandChlo on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 12:06:44 PM PST

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          •  You aer exactly right about the Boomers (5+ / 0-)

            That are decent people not being heard.

            In fact, back in the day they were being arrested, beaten and killed for protesting and speaking out.

            We have them to thank for the alternative energy ideas and development, all done with virtually no help from the government for decades, among other things that are good for people, the environment, and society.

            Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

            by splashy on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 01:22:34 PM PST

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          •  added to that is the fact that there are/were (1+ / 0-)
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            so MANY boomers. and i also agree that though we use these broad definitions, there are differences.
            for example i am on the younger end of the boomers, and i also felt like 'they' sucked up all the resources, all the jobs, etc...but that attitude doesn't really help at all.
            same as when i view younger generations and younger folks..
            i really truly  believe we need  to work  together..
            we need younger folks to gain experience.. because they will be handling the reins quite soon..i cannot imagine how it all looks to them.

          •  Karl Rove is a boomer (0+ / 0-)

            So is Tom Hayden

            Which one is more likely to be interviewed on mainstream TV?

            The problem isn't the generation - the problem is the people controlling the message

      •  My point is not how many but why. (0+ / 0-)

        When we understand the why we can get to the best solutions.. Especially in this situation when they dovetail so well. Perception is everything in messaging. Real numbers and stats rarely get into the message.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:09:46 PM PST

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    •  GOP aren't the only ones using the generation gap (7+ / 0-)

      to divide age groups on issues.

      Some of the more prominent corporate sponsored Third Way/DLC groups have been pushing talking points that seek to divide generations on SS and Medicare.

      I won't link to their web sites, but its easily found out there. The message they're pushing is that SS & Medicare won't be around for younger people and they're better off cutting SS and turning it over to Wall Street.

      It's also been off-putting to see discussions here about how many seniors didn't vote for Obama.  Really offensive and destructive.  

      Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 01:17:38 PM PST

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      •  Good points, Betty (0+ / 0-)

        Sorry I couldn't stay around for more discussion -had medical appts and then a nightmare evening.  

        The DLC and others only got into power by playing the corporate game, some as much as GOP. There are certain aging members of that group that I will work very hard to keep out of elected positions. Esp 1600 PA...

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 01:06:02 PM PST

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