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  •  He killed the innocent daughter of a cop (0+ / 0-)

    and promised to kill more. They should just let him kill as many as he wants?

    This excuse making for Dorner is really getting irritating.  Saying "true, the guy is a murderer, but maybe he has a point" is getting pretty old.

    I don't care if he was railroaded. This guy has a history of being dangerous and mentally unstable towards women especially.

    Let me reiterate. He killed the innocent daughter of an ex cop who tried to defend him against the charges. I'm not going to shed any tears for this guy whether there's some kind of movie conspiracy plot to drive this guy over the edge and force him to kill several people so he could then be killed by the cops to prevent his supposed whistleblowling.

    When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

    by PhillyJeff on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 12:39:59 AM PST

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    •  Please show the official investigation showing her (0+ / 0-)

      innocence.

      Don't start out with an assumption like that and expect me to discuss with you your other "concerns".

      For this subject you need your A game.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 03:39:36 AM PST

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      •  HB3, I am a fan... (0+ / 0-)

        I agree with you much more often than not.  

        However, since when do we have to have "an investigation showing her innocence" in this country?  I thought that was presumed?

        Dorner is somewhat of the anti-hero in this story, I can see that.  That said, he deserves to have a fair trial and then brought to justice as determined by said trial.  Until then, we have to consider him a dangerous criminal suspect that deserves to by captured and tried just like any other dangerous suspect should be removed from society who has a significant amount of evidence of criminal misconduct against them.  

        The murder victim in this case has not been accused of anything.  She should not be slandered just because she was the unfortunate target of a vigilante bent on revenge.  We can agree with a message, even if it is delivered with a bullet, without condoning the method of delivery.  

        For the sake of society, and humanity, we can never find it acceptable to substitute vigilante murder for justice.

        "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

        by Buckeye Nut Schell on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 04:40:54 AM PST

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        •  This isn't about that. (0+ / 0-)

          If you would like I will pick apart another part of their argument. But since it is a glaring piece of newspeak I'm drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

          True they have not been convicted of a crime.

          But why is this person using the modifier? Only to garner sympathy for what is likely someone quite negative from a public relations point of view.

          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 04:56:21 AM PST

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          •  So now it's officially ok to kill women (0+ / 0-)

            if their fathers piss you off.

            Please for the love of the FSM tell me you don't represent any form of mainstream progressive thinking.

            I'd really love to hear your views on the VAWA. You probably think it's unfair to go after domestic abusers, because if they beat or kill their wives or girlfriends maybe those women "deserved it" and the men shouldn't be punished until the innocence of those women are proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

            Honestly speechless.

            When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

            by PhillyJeff on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 11:16:56 PM PST

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    •  I don't think you understand (3+ / 0-)
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      Nobody on this thread thinks Dorner is stable or a "good guy". Nobody condones what he has done. Nobody here thinks he is a hero. Nobody thinks he should get away. Nobody thinks he will actually.

      This thread is about the cops, not Dorner. Cops and corruption, cops and intimidation, cops and harassment, cops and assaulting cits is what this thread is about.

      American Television is a vast sea of stupid. -xxdr zombiexx

      by glitterscale on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 06:46:44 AM PST

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      •  But there are people who think he's a good guy (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not saying on this thread, but there are people who think that and it needs to be stopped ASAP.

        You can attack police corruption without in any way defending or rationalizing what this guy did.

        Heck, if he killed 2 innocent LAPD officers MAYBE you could say he's targeting corrupt cops.

        But let me repeat: HE . . . KILLED . . . AN . . . INNOCENT . . . WOMAN . . . WHO . . . WASN'T . . . IN . . . ANY . . . WAY . . . CONNECTED . . . TO . . . LAPD . . . CORRUPTION.

        If you want to make an entire diary on LAPD corruption I'll be the first one to read it. But the fact that an ex-officer was going around killing innocent people really has nothing to do with it and doesn't support or retract from those arguments in any way.

        When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

        by PhillyJeff on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 11:19:26 PM PST

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