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  •  "permits" without "registration" (5+ / 0-)

    are pretty much pointless.  Here's a framework for both:

    Permits shall be issued concurrent with registration and good standing in a State Militia, and

    All weapons owned by Militia members shall be registered with and regularly inspected as to condition and location (safety) of storage by appropriate Milita authorities, and

    All weapons with specific and distinct military capability (.50 caliber round or large capacity magazines, for examples) and purpose shall be maintained and stored by specified Militia armorers, provided that they can be readily retrieved from said storage by the owner for training or authorized Militia use.

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 10:35:55 AM PST

    •  ... Then my pet T-Rex and I will go rollerskating! (1+ / 0-)
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      annecros

      ... Oh, my bad....

      I thought we were talking about things that will never happen.

    •  Correct. (0+ / 0-)

      But I think gun advocates would generally like to promote the principle that "guns don't kill, people kill" and then sandbag any actual attempts to effectively control people, who's other rights would then be the issue.

      Read enough RKBA comments and it runs in that loop.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 09:55:19 PM PST

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      •  The inverse of "guns don't kill, people kill" (0+ / 0-)

        is to say that without the guns there would be no killing.  Some of the comments in this thread and others would indicate that some individuals believe this, or at least wish it to be true badly enough to assert the notion.  It should be intuitively obvious that this is a false premise.  If someone wants to kill another badly enough they will find a way to make it happen, gun or no.

        This is also the same sort of sophomoric reasoning used in threads like the "another day in the gun crazy USA" series.  Those threads list incidents of gun violence and imply that the problem is the gun, but it is not.  The presence of a gun does not cause these things to occur.  

        The issue really does come down to people.  Some of them will need to be controlled because they lack either the ability or will to control themselves.  That too should be obvious.  Others can change or be changed and this is where the social side of things comes into play.

        Where we start to run amok with this issue is attempting to exert that control in ways that remove choice from other people and this is where we run into rights and other constitutionality and legal problems as this society was founded on and is bound to a set of principles that deny it that option.  This leaves two choices, either change the legal constructs or find alternative measures.  The threshold for the former was deliberately set high and for good reason.

        What we have been seeing are attempts to legislate around what is supposed to be a fundamental right as  sufficient support does not exist to change that right.  

        What a system like the one proposed in this discussion thread does is provide a way to separate the "good" from the "bad" in a clear and decisive way, while providing a periodic feedback mechanism for correction.

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