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  •  yes (2+ / 0-)
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    Captain Janeway, annecros

    For me, it does.    In a nation this big, if it's happening to the guy sitting right next to me, it's a problem.

    I'm sick of blacklisting.  I'm sick of fascist laws telling kids they have to drink nasty skim milk instead of real milk.  I'm sick of adults not being able to light one up.  I'm sick of the Father State.   The government doesn't do a good job of keeping lists.   In fact, they can be guaranteed to screw it up.  They can't even keep up with their own terrorist watchlists.   So, inviting them to keep more lists is not a good idea, IMO.

    •  You're a Libertarian! (0+ / 0-)

      Rand Paul 2016!

      •  Nope (2+ / 0-)
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        Jeremimi, Bob Johnson

        Hillary Clinton.   But, I'd like to convince her to cut down on all the lists and paperwork.

        •  Do you think Hillary Clinton would relax current (0+ / 0-)

          ... gun laws?

          •  no (6+ / 0-)

            I don't want her to relax current gun laws.  I don't really care about gun laws.  I don't think that gun laws are going to materially affect this situation.   I know that's a minority opinion around here.   I don't love guns.  I don't hate them.  And, I don't think they are going away.  

            And, I am absolutely convinced that anything that people want, that the government tries to "control", becomes more  out of control than ever before, and I point to alcohol, guns, abortions as demonstrations.    I think we have serious, serious social issues, arising from decades of bad policy.  We have generations of children growing up disadvantaged due to a legacy of discrimination that continues today, and we've cut back on funding for family services, veteran's services, schools, and mental health care services, and restricted our ability as a society to intervene in cases where people are crazy and dangerous in the name of civil rights, but mostly to save money, and we are paying the price in dramatic shooting incidents.   And, we've made our drug problem a thousand times worse by developing it into a multi-billion dollar totally uncontrolled black market, and crippled our economy by stuffing citizens by the thousands into our prisons, simply for the crime of doing drugs or buying or selling drugs, so that we don't have money to do anything else, because it costs so much for their care and feeding.  

            I'm sick of lists.  I'm sick of no fly lists, of having my shoes x-rayed, and my cosmetics confiscated.   I was really creeped out when I was driving I-10 out West, and the entire interstate was routed through a checkpoint, like some third world country.   I don't like living in a militarized atmosphere.  I don't like blacklists, where people with names like "Smith" lose all their rights, because there are other people out there named "Smith" who didn't follow the rules.   I don't think that depriving a law abiding citizen of his rights, because he has the unfortunate luck to be named "Smith", helps to solve anything.

            I think we need to address these social issues, and we'll keep having crazy veterans kidnapping school kids, and crazy kids shooting up schools and theaters, until we get serious about providing some really high level care for them, maybe even that really expensive inpatient care that we think is too expensive to provide, even while we spend that same money on drug users to spend years and years in our prisons.

            So, when I see someone going on about gun laws, my eyes cross.   I wish it were that simple.   We have gun laws.  We have murder laws.  We have drug laws.  

            WHAT WE NEED ARE SOME SERVICES

            •  So ... (0+ / 0-)

              Have no laws?

              And, I am absolutely convinced that anything that people want, that the government tries to "control", becomes more  out of control than ever before, and I point to alcohol, guns, abortions as demonstrations.
              BTW, you forgot to list: sex, money, other people's possessions, etc. Things some people want but are not allowed to have because there are too many laws against raping, pillaging and mugging.

              Obvious Solution: fewer laws and more guns.

              What about my Daughter's future?

              by koNko on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 07:32:21 PM PST

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              •  close (1+ / 0-)
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                noway2

                How about, "Fewer laws, more services."  

                That would about sum it up.

                Bottom line, I'm fed up with paperwork and lists.  Since the government "reformed" insurance, I have three times more paperwork to do.  Since we've had programs in schools, I had to fill out TWENTY FORMS just to enroll my kid in school.

                It's ridiculouus.

                Someone gets shot, and we say, "Here's a new form for you need to fill out.   We're going to have a list", like that will solve the problem.  

                I am not convinced.  

            •  So you are not against laws (0+ / 0-)

              Just against lists?

              What about my Daughter's future?

              by koNko on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 09:41:58 PM PST

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              •  Boolean logic (1+ / 0-)
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                noway2

                Seriously?!!  Are you "for laws" or "against laws" as if those are the only two possibilities?  

                Does everyone on DailyKOS think in Boolean?   The over-simplification of issues is mind-blowing.  

                Why do I bother?    

                I'm for looking at what actually works.   I don't think crazy people care about laws.   Crazy people need interventions.  They need to be identified, and they need services to help them be less crazy.    

      •  Nice divesion Bob (2+ / 0-)
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        GoGoGoEverton, annecros

        Too bad you can't address her points.

        I don't know which lie to believe anymore.

        by Captain Janeway on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 12:52:42 PM PST

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      •  This is pretty dickish. nt (0+ / 0-)

        I see what you did there.

        by GoGoGoEverton on Wed Feb 13, 2013 at 01:14:12 PM PST

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